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Joy Lee Rutter
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 04:37 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Something strange happened last night and has come back to haunt me today. I want to set things straight, and publicly apologize for the misunderstanding it may have caused. On the PA board, someone pulled up an old post from four months ago by someone that has been unfairly "banned". Unfortunately, being somewhat new to the boards, my first thought was "Wonderful! She's back!" and I posted a friendly greeting! The jokester had typed "BOO", and I didn't question that until he had typed something like "that is too funny". I typed "Huh?" and idiot #1 (him) explained what he'd done. Idiot #2 (me) typed "Someone seems to be having way too much fun". I added, "at someone elses expense", but deleted it since I didn't want to cause more problems! I already felt stupid that I'd fallen for it, but tried to keep the chatter "light" and moved onto something else. I do not recall the following posts, except for my flippant post about people being REALLY bored, and then I light-heartedly "threatened" that I would find another old post and bring it back to haunt. It was my attempt to turn things in another direction and close the ugly "can of worms".

Anyway, I have always maintained my neutrality with any controversies, and I never meant anything derogatory by my posts. In my belief that the person was back on board, I was merely posting a "welcome back", and instead became the butt of a very tasteless joke!

I hope to have cleared it up, and I sincerely apologize for any misunderstanding it may have caused! The truth of the matter is, I truly adore the person! She's absolutely wonderful, and God help me, I would never intentionally say anything against her whatsoever. My mistake in "keeping my nose clean", and the chatter flippant, it appeared that I didn't come to her defense. I guess sometimes, neutrality can be just as harmful! And I sincerely apologize again and again and again!!!

I feel so bad, I want to crawl under a huge rock and rot.
Joy
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Laurel Johnson
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 05:28 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Well Joy, join my ever enlarging club. I always manage to make a faux pas often enough.

Since I don't read the PA board, I have no idea what you mean but feel bad that you are embarrassed by it all.

Take it from an expert at embarrassing herself - meaning me. It will pass.
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MOlly Brent
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 06:06 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Joy, I did read the PA board. When I am home with nothing to do, I ck in ever so often. I think it was a natural response to think "Hey, Lynn is back." I mistakenly assumed she was posting again until I noticed the date and figured out what happened. I didn't respond since I am self banned from the board...... Anyway, don't be so hard on yourself. You did nothing wrong.

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Joy Lee Rutter
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 06:29 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Awww, thank you Laurel and Molly! I'm glad I wasn't alone in thinking she was back! One of the reasons I thought that was because I've seen a few others come back, and for a few moments, I was thrilled, until idiot #1 confessed his evil deed. Anyway, I'm glad it didn't get out of hand.

Can I crawl out from beneath my rock now? I'm clausterphobic!

Joy
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Nancy Mehl
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 08:09 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Get out from under that rock, girl! LOL!

Communication via the Internet is dangerous. When we say something we wish we hadn't in "real life," sometimes people forget - or we can explain it away. But when it's in writing, it goes on and on and on and...well, you get the idea.

Besides, you didn't do anything wrong. You were an innocent in this idiotic prank.

Nancy
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Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
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Posted on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 08:16 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Joy,
I am sure that Lynn will understand, why don't you write her and tell her exactly what you said here.

We all know #1 Idiot can be so very cruel and has a rather barbaric sense of humore when it comes to defending his turf. No harm, no foul on your part. You don't know him as well as we do, and I am sure that Lynn has him pegged pretty well now also.

Crawl out from under that rock, rocks are heavy and can weigh you down terribly.

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Joy Lee Rutter
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Posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 03:25 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I have slithered out from under my rock and now I can breath thanks to all of you! Claudia, I did speak to Lynn, of course, and she's a real sweetie. She understood how easy it was to make that error since 3 others had thought that it was hers too! I so hate it when people do stuff like that! They must really have too much time on their hands. If I had that kind of time, I'd put it to better use.

Nancy, you raise a good point about communication on the Internet being "dangerous". In person, I'm more reserved, so chatting online is an enjoyment for me. I'm not going to stop, but next time I see a post like that, I'll check out the date first!

Now that I'm out from beneath my rock, let's move on.


Joy

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Harry Simenon
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Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 01:08 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Joy, that weirdo could have fooled me easily too with such a silly "joke"
But you are certainly not the stupid one in this story.
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Joy Lee Rutter
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Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 02:31 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thank you Harry! That makes me feel 100% better. :-)

Joy

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Kevin Yarbrough
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Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 04:31 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I don't think he was trying to be mean, I just think he was trying to get a laugh. I have talked to him before and I don't think he is mean natured. I thought the same thing you did, I was happy to see Lynn back.

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Joy Lee Rutter
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Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 10:36 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thank you Kevin. I'm glad, again, that I wasn't alone in that assumption. The "laugh" was on me, but it's a done deal now. Whatever the motive, I'm not the sort to harbor bad feelings. Although a little "shy" in person, I like people, and forgive easily. I overlook faults, and do my best to keep out of trouble. My comments on the boards are almost always general, and non-controversial. I don't attack, flame, and if there's one of those threads that turns ugly, I go into my lurk mode and refuse to get into it. It's the way I am, even in real life. :-)

Joy Lee Rutter
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priceless1
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Posted on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 08:51 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Geez, am I an unobservant twit or what? I just now found this thread. Joy, please don't give this another moment's thought. It's over and done with. You're a doll, you're talented and you're going places, and that's all that's important.

From what I've heard from several dismayed lurkers, there is now a duel between two of our favorite people in PA Land. What a hoot. Who woulda thunk it possible for the mud to get any dirtier? Nothing that goes on over there surprises me anymore.

Lynn
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Kevin Yarbrough
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Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 07:26 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

The fight between HB and Brian has been called off Lynn, what a shame. I would have liked to see that. Brian is a pathological liar and the man gets on my last nerve. I can't stand him.

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Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 09:07 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

believe me Kevin, you're not alone in not being able to stand Brian. I said my goodbye on there too. I'll go back from time to time but most certainly not until Brian is gone. Thank you Kevin for what you said on there on my behalf. I won't be forgetting that.

Peace,

Tracy
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Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 09:41 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"The fight between HB and Brian has been called off Lynn"

REALLY? Well, that's nice. The whole thing was the zenith of unprofessional and made PA look like a ship of fools. I cast no aspersions in either direction other than to say neither man acted much beyond the age of two.
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Kevin Yarbrough
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Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 03:18 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I did what I set out to do with Brian. The man claims all of this crap and we knew he was a liar, but he wouldn't let up. He didn't think we could show that he was. We did. It might have been juvenile, and I'm sorry I did it, but the man had to be exposed for what he is. He flipped his lid this weekend and hurt a lot of people and I couldn't stand for it. He kept throwing your name around Lynn like he was your best friend and about what happened to you at PA. He talked like he knew all of the facts, and he doesn't. Only you do. I didn't see him in there to help you out during that time. He's a punk and he has since been banned from the boards.

His and HB's fight was foolish, but so was what I did. But to be honest, I would have liked to have seen it. HB in the ring with a bad shoulder and Brian trying to beat him with his O2 tank. Hahaha, that would have been funny.

Kevin
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Joy Lee Rutter
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Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 04:53 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Lynn, I posted this thread last week. LOL. I thought it was buried, but Mindsight has been so quiet, it's been stuck on top of the heap. Thank you so much for the compliment! It made my day. I guess it's official. I sent for the copyright today!

About the PA board, all I can say is WOW. It amazed me this weekend. I never knew people could stoop that low. The posts are still up! I think what amazes me more than anything is that people respect published authors. When my book was first published (A Disturbing Presence), people in my town treated me different; with more respect. And because of that, I felt I had to put my best foot forward, so to speak. Not that I was a blithering buffoon BEFORE the book came out, but I just wanted to present myself in a good light. Suddenly, we are expected to be "people" oriented, even when we just need to dash in the store for a bag of onions!

My point? Don't worry, I have one. I read the boards this past weekend and my first thought was "what do people think if they are shopping around for a publisher and find this mess?" Nuff said.

Oh well, I think I've put in my two cents. Again, I stay on the sidelines, and since it is not my issue, I stay out of it. A few people stopped posting! And THEN some disgruntled person posts a thread calling all PA authors DUMB FACES! I think that one got obliterated.

Oh my, I need a life!

Joy Lee Rutter
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Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 07:00 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"He kept throwing your name around Lynn like he was your best friend and about what happened to you at PA."

Hmm. I'm betting that was removed immediately. I think my name is synonymous with Satan over there.

Lynn
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mark dirschel
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Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 08:40 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

nah. i don't think you're equated with satan, lynn.

- mark
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Todd Hunter
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Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 09:02 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Kevin, something has been nagging at me this evening...

I noticed you mentioned in your post:

"I did what I set out to do with Brian. The man claims all of this crap and we knew he was a liar, but he wouldn't let up. He didn't think we could show that he was. We did. It might have been juvenile, and I'm sorry I did it, but the man had to be exposed for what he is."

But just a while back, you were mentioning to HB that it wasn't his job to expose people on that board...when he was 'exposing' Lynn...and unfortunately, the rationale you use here sounds much like the one used then...

Not wanting to stir the pot, and I wasn't following the activity over yonder when it was all going down, so I honestly have no idea what happened to bring this all on...but it just seemed very odd to me...

Anyway, off to go do some editing...
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I strongly disagree. It is HB's job to "expose" those whom are in disfavor. He is given free rein of the board in exchange for providing this valuable service. Were it not for HB, discipline and order would be extremely difficult to maintain. This is one lackey who has proved his worth time and time again. When it comes to doing a hatchet job on someone, HB Marcus is definitely in his element.

http://www.fdungan.com/vigilantes.htm
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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 08:10 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I don't understand why anyone believes it is their job to correct the thinking, post etc of others. Why not just communicate whatever and allow others to voice their opinions. Why is it that someone always elects themselves leader, hall monitor, whatever. These boards are a collection of adults with different views. The way to learn is to shut-up sometimes and just listen!!!!!


okay and now I'll put on my protection vest and await the onslaught.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 08:19 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

HB is a bully leading a little gang of bullettes around the PA school yard.
What a sophomoric exhibition that was and now, the self-appointed protector of the realm is contrite, boo-hoo, I've been so bad, please forgive me.
Good God, they banned people for far less than the behavior displayed by some.
The Meiners Gestapo at work, I guess.
What a joke that board has become.They have so many people clamoring for "recognition", it's comical.
What a zoo!

bn
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Jennifer Lynn
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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 08:56 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I truly believe that most posters don't realize that those threads can be googled. If they did, perhaps they would be a little more professional in their presentation. I certainly don't want any of MY readers to see me acting in a less than adult fashion.

Incidentally, the other day when I was doing a simple google search of my own name, my Mindsight profile came up, reminding me yet again to remain as adult-like and professional on public forums.


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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 08:56 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Well, Bill, if it is an actual zoo as you claim it to be, one would just naturally assume that you would enlighten the rest of us as to who the major animal players are. (ok, ok, preposition I know. Southern writer...)
Waiting patiently...
While waiting, I'll just take a stab at it. I think there will definitly be some representation from the baboon family. Also, I would strongly imagine the hippopotamus group will make the list. I am guessing there will also be some mention of the dancing/barking/trainable seals and most likely we will also hear from the vulture (buzzard down where you and me are) family.
Which animals do I think won't be included?
The lion for sure. (obvious reasons) Same goes for the tiger, alligator, cheetah and zebra.
The elephant was debatable, but I'm guessing no, only because its memory is too strong.
hahahaha
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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 09:26 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"my Mindsight profile came up, reminding me yet again to remain as adult-like and professional on public forums."

Hear, here, Jenn. I couldn't agree with you more. I always employ the idea of what would my mother say if she read what I'd written? LOL. Yes, at 47 I still care what Mom thinks. Keeps me honest.

Lynn



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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 09:42 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Sheila,
I think you've just abut covered it.
I know it isn't the proper thing to bang on PA here on this board. I just get
p.o.'d when I see all that cheap *$C## that one of their high-profile posters puts out. What a crock.
However, I apologize for my conduct. A meeting of minds shouldn't include cheap shots at disadvantaged people. I regret my actions and hope that those I have offended can forgive me. I am man enough to accept the entire blame (self incrimination, a child' ploy) and hope that you will all now tell me how great I am.
(Hey, it works for some people. Don't knock it!)
I wonder who the mystery poster, Mea Culpa could be? You don't think it could be...? No, a man in his position wouldn't do that. Would he?

bn
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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 09:59 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

PS,
I see who Mea Culpa is-missed the tag line a moment ago. It's not who I thought it was, it's Freeeeeeeeddddd. Hi, big guy. How they hangin'?
BN
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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 10:35 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Bill, in case you were wondering, my post regarding professionalism wasn't directed towards you. I've never seen you say anything (on this board or the other) that would cause me to cringe. We're all entitled to blow off a little steam now and then, it's part of being human and heaven knows I've done it from time to time.


Does that work for reassuring you that you are indeed a 'great man'???



Jenn
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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 12:16 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Jenn,

Thank you for the kind words. I wasn't serious. I already know I'm wonderful!
I was poking fun at someone else, who really, really deserves it.
Thank you again.

Bill
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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 12:58 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

ROFL... anytime Bill.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 02:22 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

<snort> Bill, you crack me up.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 02:41 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Wow, this post is still going strong? And it seems to have taken off on last weekend's PA board fiasco! I can't leave you guys alone for a minute, can I? HAHA.

I love it here!

Lynn, I heard from the editor and I'm doing a happy dance!

Joy
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Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 08:38 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Lynn, I heard from the editor and I'm doing a happy dance!"

Great! I seem to remember her saying something about what a pleasure it was to read such a clean manuscript...very professionally done. You can dine on that for a while, eh?

Lynn

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Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 09:10 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

The difference Todd is that HB brought all this on Lynn to discredit her for no other reason than not agreeing with PA. Brian had bashed many people on the board and I just used what he had said in other posts to prove he was a liar.

HB set out to discredit lynn and have her removed from the boards, I set out to show that Brian was a liar. I tries showing him that he was a liar and he just got mad and attacked me. It was not right, I apologized on her, the PA MB, and to Brian through email.

I didn't set out to get him banned from the board, like HB did with Lynn. I didn't make up anything, no lies, or any embelishments like HB did. I used Brian's own words against him.

Again,I'm sorry. Lynn never bashed people on any board and HB set out to get her because of Behler. Brian slammed a lot of people for no reason. I stood up to him, just like I did HB when that went down. He hurt me and some friends on there and I won't stand for it.

I never called Brian on anything before, even though I knew he was a liar, because it wasn't my job to expose him. When he leapt off of the deep end and started hurting people I couldn't stand for that. Is it the same thing HB did? Yeah, it is. But it is the other side of the same coin.

Kevin
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Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 10:49 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

HB never went after Lynn because of Behler. That was just a convenient excuse to hang it on and it wasn't introduced until AFTER her was well along in his attacks on her. He went after Lynn for daring to speak her mind when it conflicted with what *he* believed was acceptable topics for a PA author to discuss in public.

As for what you might have done, Kevin,...heck, the only one who has to live with you is you but sometimes the choices a person makes create trust issues for others. And, of course, if you side with a bully -- you stand the chance of looking like a bully. But this, like virtually everything else online, will quickly fade from folks' memories.

jan
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Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 01:04 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I didn't side with any bully Jan, if you are refering to HB his spat with Brian was totally different than mine. I never agreed with him or encouraged this fight they had going. Was I a bully? Maybe, but I don't think so. When a bully is doing his thing there is always that one person that can stand up against him, not physically, but using words against him. To trip up a bully using his own words aginst him usually makes the bully look insignificant. Brian took the bully approach by bashing people first, I just tripped him up.

It wasn't right, but hindsight is 20-20. If somebody didn't do something he would have kept on slamming people for no reason.

Kevin
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Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 02:16 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

No, he wouldn't have. Eventually PA would have done exactly what they did -- realize that was way too embarrassing for them to let continue, ban the guy they banned and ask HB to apologize and calm down. They would never ban HB, so he is free to beat up anyone he likes. And anyone he beats up had better take it or they get banned. Keep that in mind if he starts hammering on you.

So, no, I saw no sign that the guy you confronted was moved in the slightest by what you said. He continued to bait HB -- I guess he thought it was fun. The whole thing was eventually ended by shutting down the discussion board to search for all the scattered threads, ban one guy, and scold another. You didn't stop him from slamming anyone -- his focus had already shifted to HB and his antics. The only "stopping" happened when PA banned him and scolded HB. And they didn't ban him for slamming Tracy or anyone else, they banned him for fighting with HB.

So -- to those reading, you looked like you were stirring the pot and siding with the bully. Clearly that isn't what you felt you were doing -- good, it's nice to know you wouldn't do that intentionally.

jan
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Joy Lee Rutter
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Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 03:28 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Lynn: "Great! I seem to remember her saying something about what a pleasure it was to read such a clean manuscript...very professionally done." Woo-hoo! My day in the neuro-zoo was, as usual, horrendous, so you again have made my day a nicer place to be!!!

Now about the PA board fiasco that keeps coming up:

It never ceases to amaze me on the boards when people publicly attack each other. Think about it: if they were in a public place, and they ran into someone they had a gripe with, would they publicly announce it so that everyone there got wind of it? That usually doesn't happen in "real life". Why? Because the attacker ends up looking like a buffoon, and often ends up either kicked out of the place, or worse, arrested.

Just my opinion. :-)

Joy Lee Rutter
"A Disturbing Presence"
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"if they were in a public place, and they ran into someone they had a gripe with, would they publicly announce it so that everyone there got wind of it?"

Good point, Joy. From what I saw of HB at the convention, he was a very quiet and mild-mannered individual. I have no idea if he's extremely shy in public or what. But I would like to think that he, in his more fevered moments, finds comfort in hiding behind the anonymity of a computer screen. Again, I have no idea and no inclination to find out. All I can conjecture is that no happy person would behave in that manner.

Lynn
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Good point Jan. Point taken.

Kevin
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Joy Lee Rutter
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I think a lot of us feel more comfortable letting it all hang out on the boards. We look at it and say "it's only text."

Again, please allow me to maintain my neutrality. Since I haven't "yet" made enemies, I'd like to keep it that way rather than see another PA thread from hell, targetted at me. (I'm tender hearted)

Announcing my 2nd book's acceptance at Behler is no secret and I'm sure a lot of folks at PA are aware since several of us are on both boards, but I'm in no hurry to become another member on their "hate list". If someone zero's in on me over that, it's their problem, not mine.

It was a personal decision. Lynn and Fred bend over backwards for their authors, and that is exactly what I was looking for in a publisher, especially after my disappointment with PA.

Thank you again Lynn & Fred! I am so excited, that I keep your acceptance e-mail in my pocket during my work hours because when the day wears on and I'm losing my mind, I look at it and smile.

Joy Lee Rutter
Soon to be published author of "A Flamboyant Disarray of Dreams"
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Harry Simenon
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Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 03:38 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I’m beyond caring about how the PA board is organized or why, or who bashed who. I miss talking to some of the people of the PA board, but I’m convinced that most of them will turn up at this board anyway.

By the way: welcome back Fred. I knew you couldn’t live without us!

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