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Bill Nelson
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2721
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I'm going the other way. When I entered the Air Force, I was 74". Now, I
am 72-1/2". I think gravity and posture have stolen an inch or so from me. I don't know what they stuffed in my shorts for all that added weight. |
Stephen Lodge
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456
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Gravity has it's unfortunate effects ~
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Todd Hunter
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3557
Registered: 02-2003
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Some people blame the increasing size (and earlier changes at puberty) on hormones in food and milk...
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Stephen Lodge
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Post Number:
458
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 08:00 pm: | |
Do you know how to make a hormone? Don't pay her. (I couldn't resist)
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Novels by Stephen Lodge:
"Charley Sunday's Texas Outfit!"
"Nickel-Plated Dream"
"Shadows of Eagles"
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Tom Elkins
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
717
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 07:19 am: | |
The point I wanted to make is that Harry is right (see #6).
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
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Harry Simenon
Unity Member
Post Number:
1473
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 10:00 am: | |
Thanks Tom! (I'm not quite a standard Dutchman, living so close to the border.) |
Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2727
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 10:24 am: | |
"...Harry is right."
Never admit that. It just encourages him!
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Harry Simenon
Unity Member
Post Number:
1537
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 02:55 pm: | |
Another difference?
This article claims that Americans are afraid of nudity, and Dutch don't mind.
Is the USA part correct you think?
Nudity USA |
Tom Elkins
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
730
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 03:41 pm: | |
Nudity is permitted and there's a body of law about it? Seems to me that there should be an absence of law to be permissive. Am I missing something? But then these are the folks who wrote a 700 page constitution.
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
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Pacwriter
Unity Member
Post Number:
2919
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 03:43 pm: | |
The standards of morality vary from nation to nation.
Why not ask which is more open to nudity, the Muslims of Saudi Arabia or the Bushmen of Australia?
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Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
3042
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 03:59 pm: | |
In America, we have a long history of the Puritan influences regarding nudity, marriage, sexual behavior in general and everything connected to the sexual chemistry of the body (i.e., fashion and sex as related to cars, perfumes and body cleansing) and how our bodies are displayed in public, and in the home. It goes back to the Church of Rome and the way the Church of England came about, with More and Cromwell and the heretics and everything taht related to war and science back in those ages.
There are nude beaches up at Lake Tahoe and in California all over the place up and down the coast. There are nudist camps and clubs and no one bats an eye at any of it, except when someone steps out of the boundaries and flaunts it in other faces who are more public opinion oriented.
There are laws protecting those places and ideals, sort of like the laws in Netherland protecting the lack of laws for those places, it seems to me. Freedom is only freedom when no one gets offended and no one has toes stepped on, and that can't be possible in any country, place or entity where there are multitudes of people all sharing the same locations. Laws have been made to protect as well as to serve as a price.
Interesting different viewpoints here and abroad concerning the nudity issue, but most of it in the USA stems from the Catholic Church and the the Church of England influences here.
Claudia
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Dennis Collins
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
2391
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 04:05 pm: | |
It depends on who you talk to but I think that Americans are quite aware of the condition of their bodies. Women with a "Barbie" figure and men with a ripped physique are probably more likely to accept nudity. I think that just about every state in the Union has nudist beaches or parks. Michigan has several and they've been around for generations but they don't seem to be getting any more popular.
But then there are plenty of senior citizens hanging out at the community pool in Speedos.
I vaguely remember that there was some diet or fitness product on the market recently that advertised that it could, "Make you look good naked."
Dennis Collins
Moderator
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Tom Elkins
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
732
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 08:19 pm: | |
Yeah. I think it's called Levrita, and the spokesman is Smiling Bob.
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
www.authorsden.com/tomelkins |
Harry Simenon
Unity Member
Post Number:
1538
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 12:50 am: | |
That doesn't sound too bad to me, so the difference will not be too great perhaps.
Wel, Perry, I would say Bushmen are more open to nudity than Muslims, although that was not what I was wondering about.
I think it is a matter of what you are used to. But indeed here nudity is also accepted when you don't have a sixpack, but instead drank too many sixpacks. |
Dennis Collins
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
2392
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 04:05 am: | |
I think that it's widely regarded as an unimportant issue in the United Staes.
Dennis Collins
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Gloria Marlow
Unity Member
Post Number:
1948
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 07:35 am: | |
I think if folks started walking down the street naked, it would quickly become an important issue.
Personally, I have noticed that we are more prudish toward nakedness than our European counterparts. For instance, we went to Downtown Disney a few years ago and they have a large area were fountains shoot out of the ground and children can run through them. The oldest you would see an American child running naked is about 1, but the children from other countries were up to 6 or 8 years of age. The same was true at the water parks. At one of them, a gentlemen dropped his towel and quickly put on a bathing suit. I don't know a man of my acquaintance who would do any such thing.
However, on the other hand, we dress our young daughters like little prostitutes and rock stars while Europeans and other nationalities dress theirs conservatively.
Many in our society have a problem with mother's breastfeeding in public, but you won't find that attitude in other countries. We have breasts for the same reason every other animal has them...to feed our young, and yet we are supposed to be ashamed of that, but use them to lure men and get what we want.
What has happened is our American society has stopped seeing our bodies as natural and beautiful in their very nature and usefulness. Instead, they are seen as bargaining tools.
Don't show your body unless it gains you something. If you are beautiful and show a bit of tit, you get more out of life. This is more the way of thinking here.
Yes, we are puritanical about nakedness, but completely immoral about modesty and the use of our bodies for sex and gain.
Gloria
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Stephen Lodge
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Post Number:
488
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 10:33 am: | |
Now that I'm older, I wonder just how breasts ever became a sex object. ('cause they sure were when I was younger)
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Gloria Marlow
Unity Member
Post Number:
1949
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 02:46 pm: | |
Well, of course, breasts may have always been a sex object, and they are sexual, but not on eight year olds.
We girls figure these things out on our own as we get older, so do we need really to teach it to our daughters?
Gloria
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Joyce Scarbrough
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Post Number:
1060
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 09:25 am: | |
When my youngest daughter started actually needing her bra, I told her to take a look around her at school at how many other girls also had breasts. Despite the abundance of mammaries, I told her boys were always going to notice them and think they are a big deal, so she needed to keep them in perspective. I pointed out that she is just one of billions of women who have breasts, legs, and a cute butt, but being a girl who is exceptionally smart, talented, wickedly funny, and able to strike out batters with regularity is what makes her stand out in a crowd. I told her girls who get attention with their body parts are a dime a dozen, but girls like her are the ones who make a real impression.
So far so good.
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Todd Hunter
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
3571
Registered: 02-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 08:35 pm: | |
If you are beautiful and show a bit of tit, you get more out of life.
That didn't work all that well for Janet Jackson, I'd say...
I personally think that America may have been puritanical when it came to nudity years ago, but the laws put in place to enforce those morals backfired. Because it became so taboo, and the personality of the American public has changed since the 60s, people now push the envelope as far as they can legally, and then some. It gets them the attention they crave is the only reason for it.
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Fred Dungan
Unity Member
Post Number:
1911
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 03:46 am: | |
"girls who get attention with their body parts are a dime a dozen"
I'll take 50 cents worth.
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Gloria Marlow
Unity Member
Post Number:
1950
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 08:23 am: | |
It worked for Janet Jackson....her name was out there for weeks and months and it is still being mentioned on shows several years later. Fame and recognition is what she's after. She was pretty much a "has been" when she came on the Super Bowl, but left the talk of the town.
Gloria Davidson Marlow
**The Butterfly Game***Shades of Silence***Flowers for Megan**
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Tom Elkins
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Post Number:
743
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 01:33 pm: | |
I had more than a nodding brush with exposed boobs trying to run a radio business on Maui in the early '70's...when feminism was at its peak. Ah...those were the days.
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
www.authorsden.com/tomelkins |
Laurel Johnson
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Post Number:
4444
Registered: 01-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 08:13 pm: | |
I've been fit, athletic, one of those curvaceous natural blondes who had to fight men off with clubs.
And I've been nuts, gone to fat, lost most of my blonde hair, and finally got old.
Looking back over my adult life, I'd much rather be old and fat.
Life is much simpler that way.
Laurel Johnson
http://laureljohnsonblogs.blogspot.com
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Tom Elkins
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Post Number:
745
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 08:17 pm: | |
Yeah...I love you anyway, Laurel...As long as it's reciprocated.
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
www.authorsden.com/tomelkins |
Stephen Lodge
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
496
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 04:57 am: | |
Why is it that now that I'm old, all the girls who'd have nothing to do with me when I was young, are finally speaking to me?
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"Charley Sunday's Texas Outfit!"
"Nickel-Plated Dream"
"Shadows of Eagles"
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Harry Simenon
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Post Number:
1543
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 03:27 am: | |
I agree Gloria,
I don't think breastfeeding in public is offensive at all. It is a rather beautiful and natural sight, and for me has nothing sexual to it.
To me a completely naked woman is less sexual atractive that (partly) clothed. (Ofcourse at some point I prefer all clothes removed...)
For example: in public saunas everybody is naked: young people and old, but there too nakedness has little to do, if any, with sex. Everybody is naked, so there is no need for shame, and certainly not everybody is a well shaped model.
Janet Jackson would have gained very little with her Super bowl act here I'm afraid.
Although no nakedness involved but kissing, what to think of Richard Gere and Shilpa Shetty?
When I first heard of it, it sounded like he more or less raped Shilpa, but when I saw it it looked pretty innocent to me. But for several people in India it was quite shocking.
I think there might be some friction as many different cultures slowly become one? |
Gloria Marlow
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Post Number:
1951
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 06:59 pm: | |
Yes, Harry, I think you are right that there will be friction as many cultures become one or merge to some extent. Especially because we fail to realize and respect other cultures.
Anyone who spends as much time in India as Richard Gere apparently has, should know their culture well enough to know that public affection is not acceptable. I don't necessarily see it as something horrible -- it did look pretty innocent, but he should have used a bit more care.
When I visit someone's home I respect the way they do things, I realize what is important and acceptable to them and I act accordingly. The same must be in place when visiting other countries.
I remember when I was about seventeen, I visited a church with a friend. Before we went to the church, he told me that I needed to wear a dress with a high neck and long sleeves, a longish skirt and no makeup or jewelry. The high neck and long sleeves and rather long skirt weren't necessarily a problem, but I never went anywhere without makeup or jewelry, so that was a bit of a choice. I never went to a church with those sorts of rules, but I went that Sunday and I did abide by their rules, because it was their church. If I didn't want to follow the rules, I shouldn't have went. Their church didn't need to be "fixed" so that they saw things the way I did.
I think that is a common misconception in the world...that other cultures need "fixing" when in fact there is nothing wrong with them. They are just different.
Gloria Davidson Marlow
**The Butterfly Game***Shades of Silence***Flowers for Megan**
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Harry Simenon
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Post Number:
1547
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 03:18 am: | |
Gloria:
"I think that is a common misconception in the world...that other cultures need "fixing" when in fact there is nothing wrong with them. They are just different."
Completely agree.
I often watch this program where Dutch or Belgium (Flemish) families live for a while with some 'primitive' Asian or African tribe, and after a while they change places, and the people of that tribe live with the family here in the West for a while.
Although I suspect that the TV program was originally set up to have a laugh about the 'primitives,' it sort of functions like a mirror for our own culture.
Quite often the so called primitives show a certain wisdom and moral that makes the Westerners look silly.
It makes me think that we might have forgotten a few important things along the way.
But heartwarming is that after the first confusion in dealing with other cultures they often develop very warm cross culture friendships. Even in such extreme different cultures people are not that much different at heart, and they often are not of 'lower' morals. That gives reason for hope. |
Tom Elkins
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Post Number:
750
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 07:29 am: | |
Hey, I hear that Dutch bricklayers have a new action hero. "Bond....Flemish Bond." (That's supposed to be a joke. Maybe it's too Anglo.)
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
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Stephen Lodge
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Post Number:
500
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 09:09 am: | |
"It makes me think that we might have forgotten a few important things along the way."
First on the list should be: Common Sense ~
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Harry Simenon
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Post Number:
1548
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 12:50 pm: | |
Tom:
"Hey, I hear that Dutch bricklayers have a new action hero. "Bond....Flemish Bond." (That's supposed to be a joke. Maybe it's too Anglo.)"
Flemish Bond seems to be some kind of pattern to lay bricks, and that James Bond is a action hero, but the rest needs some explanation Tom. |
Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2762
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 03:42 pm: | |
India has it's extreme groups just like any other country. I think this was a
few yahoos who wanted some star time for their cause. If you saw the entire film clip, you saw they were being egged on by the audience and it was clearly all in fun. They were mugging for the camera.
Don't forget, this is the culture that gave us Kama Sutra. |
Tom Elkins
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Post Number:
751
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 05:17 pm: | |
That's it, Harry. It's a joke because folks here laugh at it.
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
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Harry Simenon
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Post Number:
1550
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 01:46 am: | |
I'll get the joke Tom, but I had to look up what Flemish Bond was, and after that such jokes lose some of their effect ofcourse. |
Harry Simenon
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1551
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 01:49 am: | |
India's culture too will change, for better or for worse. Although in the kissing bit I see no harm, but such tolerance needs to come from within. |
Joyce Scarbrough
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Post Number:
1063
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 09:11 am: | |
Harry, it's funny because of the way James Bond frequently introduces himself: "Bond--James Bond."
I liked it, Tom. But then, I also laugh whenever someone mentions a dime and my husband says "I don't give a dime." He also has one for whenever pucks are mentioned. Fortunately, we're not hockey fans!
~Joyce Sterling Scarbrough
True Blue Forever
ISBN 0-9722385-9-X
Different Roads
ISBN 0-9722385-3-0
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Harry Simenon
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Post Number:
1553
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 09:35 am: | |
Problem is I rarely watched James Bond movies Tom, so it's not the joke but me. |
Tom Elkins
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Post Number:
753
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 01:48 pm: | |
If it has to be explained it isn't all that funny. And everything has to be explained to somebody. Try this, Harry -
What do the Dutch (or the ethnic group of your choice) use for birth control?
Their personalities.
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
www.authorsden.com/tomelkins |
Harry Simenon
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Post Number:
1555
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 09:17 am: | |
That is indeed quite funny Tom, although my personality didn't prevent me from becomming a father. |
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