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Bill Nelson
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From Forbes Magazine
TOP TEN RESALE MODELS
Acura TSX
BMW 5 Series
Honda Civic
Lexus IS
MINI Cooper
Pontiac Solstice
Scion tC
Toyota Prius
Volkswagen GTI
Volkswagen Eos
WORST RESALE VALUE
Consider three Ford Motor models: the Ford E-Series van and the Ford Crown Victoria and Mercury Grand Marquis sedans -- three of the eight new-model cars with the worst predicted depreciation.
Note there is only one American car in the top ten.
In fairness to Ford, the Crown Vic/Merc.Grand Marquis and the E-series vans are all good sellers for Ford, but only as fleet vehicles. The public at large does not embrace them. |
Tom Elkins
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 09:48 am: | |
I tried embracing my car...couldn't get it done. On the other hand, it's a '93 Lincoln Town Car with 133,000 miles on it...runs like a top...and I've become rather attached to it.
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
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Stephen Lodge
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504
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:13 am: | |
"...runs like a top..."
C'mon, Tom. That sounds like spin to me ~
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"Nickel-Plated Dream"
"Shadows of Eagles"
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Dennis Collins
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:21 am: | |
The Ford products that you're referring to are the last remaining full size, rear wheel drive cars. They are victims of a RIDICULOUS campaign that tells us that front wheel drive offers greater control.
Yeah, right...
Seems that NASCAR, Indy and Gran Prix haven't been reading their email!!! But then just how much control do you need when all you're doing is making U-turns at over 200mph
Experts!!! RIGHT!!!
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Pacwriter
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2930
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:32 am: | |
Have you noticed that American cars lose their paint after 3 - 5 years? By Ten years most have chipped, peeling paint all over. Perhaps this says something about quality. Remember when Ford's slogan was "Quality is job 1"?
By the way - I have a ford truck sitting in my driveway - the paint is peeling and so is the paint on the Chrysler
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Bill Nelson
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2772
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:44 am: | |
But, Dennis, Ford makes all kinds of front wheel drive vehicles don't they?
Why is that?
Wasn't it GMs Oldsmobile (the Toronado) who first came out with front wheel drive in the U.S.back in the 60s?
Tom,
Do you mean you have to pull start your car like a lawn-mower when you say it runs like a top?
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Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
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3065
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 12:20 pm: | |
and the Caddy ElDorado.........
Claudia
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Pacwriter
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2931
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 01:14 pm: | |
Okay - if our government and the WORLD are really serious about reducing gas consumption then why haven't they outlawed cars with over 100 horsepower? And, required all auto makers produce only engines incapable of speeds over 50 mph?
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Dennis Collins
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2413
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 03:08 pm: | |
Front wheel drive cars are CHEAPER to build. A LOT cheaper. But America wants cheap.
Dennis Collins
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Stephen Lodge
Wisdom Member
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505
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 04:39 pm: | |
"if our government and the WORLD are really serious about reducing gas consumption then why haven't they outlawed cars with over 100 horsepower? And, required all auto makers produce only engines incapable of speeds over 50 mph?"
Hey, don't be giving Algore and the democrat congress any ideas ~
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"Nickel-Plated Dream"
"Shadows of Eagles"
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Todd Hunter
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3579
Registered: 02-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 05:02 pm: | |
Front wheel drive cars are CHEAPER to build.
But more expensive to maintain, come engine or transmission troubles...
Resale value is a matter of popularity, nothing much else.
(A person has to want it a lot a few years down the road for it to have resale value)
The only one on that list that is on it for any good reason is the Civic, which has for many years been a truly dependable car. All the rest are just cars for showing off to your friends (thus, popular).
I wonder what the top ten would be if it was customer loyalty (returning to the same make and/or model).
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Bill Nelson
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2774
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 06:54 pm: | |
But, Dennis...
Just think of the lost horsepower in rear wheel drives.
That's simply wasted energy! That's why the hp is so high in
the old gas guzzlers, not much was delivered to the drive wheels.
Would you want to drive one around Detroit with today's gas prices?
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Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
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Post Number:
3066
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 08:24 pm: | |
If you have a front wheel drive vehicle, you have the whole car pulling the body, not just the front wheels. If you have a rear wheel drive as many used to be, you were wasting energy, horsepower and everything else because you had to pull and then push the vehicle...... stupidity reigns. IF YOU ARE GOING TRANSVERSE (push-pull) TO ANYTHING YOU ARE USING DOUBLE ENERGY TO MOVE IT. Front wheel drives are far easier to manipulate, handle, drive, and use less gas overall and this is coming from one who has driven rear wheel - rear engine, front wheel - front engine and rear wheel - front engine cars all of my life and I prefer the front engine - front wheel ones much better.
Ask a female brain if you really want a great answer.
Claudia
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Dennis Collins
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 03:12 am: | |
I have one front wheel drive AMERICAN car, one four wheel drive AMERICAN SUV, and one rear wheel drive AMERICAN motorcycle. Rear wheel drive offers tons more control than front wheel drive. I'll take safety over economy any day of the week.
I spent a total of over 40 years working for AMERICAN auto manufacturers who were the number one consumer of AMERICAN steel, AMERICAN glass, fabric, leather, rubber, and plastic. Now it's all in the hands of foreign companies with all of the profits going to foreign countries (YES, even the profits from Foreign based domestics, a fine job of duping the AMERICAN public into thinking the Japanese REALLY like us.)
I hope that everybody who buys a Japanese car (no matter where they're made) enjoys the prospect of living in a paper house and eating three bowls of rice a day. That's where we're headed because we have lost the second world war and we're too stupid to see it!!!
Dennis Collins
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Dennis Collins
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 05:46 am: | |
Perry... I know exactly why the paint is peeling on your cars. Ultraviolet rays from the sun penetrate the pigment in the paint and react with the primer underneath. This forms a layer of gas (air) and separates the paint from the primer. At the plant level we discovered that some colors were worse than others and so we experimented with UV blockers in the paint.
We found that we could totally eliminate this problem by adding the correct amount of UV blockers to the mix. The hitch was that each pigment (color) reacted differently and some colors were extremely sensitive and needed lots of additives while others needed none at all. We researched and tested this for years and developed exact formulas for each color.
Enter the BEAN COUNTERS.
The purchasing department (undoubtedly prodded by the paint companies) decided that making each formula unique was far too expensive and so in their infinite wisdom (and absolutely zero engineering input) they developed their own standard for UV blocking additives and came up with a "one size fits all" formula. The cost savings was a huge hit at the stockholder's meeting and praise was heaped on the purchasing agents.
However... It has been ruled that peeling paint on GM cars is a warranty item and the paint must be redone at the manufacturer's expense. But... the purchasing department has nothing to do with the warranty department and their job was to save money on puschases. They did that!!!
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Speaking of saving money, did you know that the cost of pure labor in a car built by a US manufacturer in the USA is under $75 per unit?
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Pacwriter
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2932
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 06:03 am: | |
I buy American made whenever there is a choice. Unfortunately, there are few choices any more. When Walmart went the way of supporting LOW prices from China instead of being AMERICAN MADE the trade imbalance between the USA and China went through the roof.
I'm not a walmart basher and feel it is a good company but I do think Walmart did the world an injustice by switching to China as their main supplier of goods. When Walmart starts selling cars, then we will be eating rice three times a day.
But can we blame Walmart when so many US companies moved their operations to China for the cheap labor? Those beancounters did the only reasonable thing for business and profits. The real blame goes to our Senators and Representatives who supported the Open Door/Free Trade with China.
Politics are the ruin of the American automobile, the high gas prices and every other misery you can find in the USA. Instead of bringing the troops home, bring the business back home and put politicians on term limits.
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Tom Elkins
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761
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 06:32 am: | |
Yeah...bring back the monarchy.
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
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Kevin R. Paglia
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285
Registered: 07-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 09:06 am: | |
"The real blame goes to our Senators and Representatives who supported the Open Door/Free Trade with China."
Actually I always kind of blamed the shoplifters and lawyers for the high prices. I heard a while ago (ok, my memory may be playing tricks with me but one of you internet savy surfers may find the right number) that about 33 cents of every dollar spent goes to make up for the loss of stolen goods. I was in Winco (cheap gocery store where they keep prices down by "letting" you bag your own) the other day just after someone walked off with a cart full of groceries. Since each cashier (customer service technitian) runs two belts while one person bags they start running the next person through it is easy to see how the cashier could be distracted long enough for someone to walk off with a cart. And who has to make up for that loss? Me and the rest of the shoppers who actually pay for their food.
Another chunk goes to pay for all the lawsuits every company seems to face. (Enter long rant about bloodsucking lawyers who feed their coffers by taking money from the rest of us here)
Kevin |
Tom Elkins
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762
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 09:28 am: | |
What happens to a lawyer when he takes Viagra?
He gets taller.
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
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Bill Nelson
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2775
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 12:22 pm: | |
If we move away from autos for a sec, I'm betting that everyone who posts here
eats food everyday that came from a foreign country; watches a TV that includes parts from a foreign country; wears clothing that came from a foreign country;use personal products that come from a foreign country; listen to music that came from a foreign country; watch athletic teams that are comprised of some foreign players; pay to see movies that have foreign actors; take vacations in foreign lands; etc. etc. etc.
Trade agreements allow US made goods to flow outward also. Without those agreements, we would produce less, consume less, and pay more for all goods.
It is clear we are part of a world market place and the idea of consuming only things made in America is isolationism, a theory no one thinks will work (except maybe the skinheads).
Perhaps some think we should build a wall around our country and just live off each other.
This is the 21st century, not the 15th! What is wrong with foreign trade? It makes all out lives better.
Dennis, I think our country has prospered ten fold since WWII. I'm not even close to a paper house and doubt you are either. Besides, I love rice. |
Pacwriter
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2933
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 04:11 pm: | |
Free trade is great when it is free and equal. The trade with China is one sided and mostly because of the number of companies in the US that moved their operations to China. For example Textiles - the major US companies were first forced into bankruptcy then their equipment sold to Chinese. There is a paper trail to be followed that many believe lead back to those US and UK companies
The same is true for the furniture manufacturing. And, what is going on in the auto business is showing strong similarities.
The policies of Clinton and Bush (Both of them) gave favorite trading status to those countries we are now having serious trade imbalances with today.
I believe in fair and equal trade and the oversight of US companies that circumvent taxes and trade laws. Call me a communist or socialist but you are wrong. I'm all for FREE MARKET trade. Nafta & Cafta made a lot of money for a lot of politicians (John Edwards for one). Those agreements put an end to textiles and furniture in North Carolina and South Carolina. What did we get for it? How about the greatest migration of illegals in the country. 54% of my county schools are Latino!! You can't find a parking space at the Social Services for all the cars with little Latin American flags hanging from the rearview mirror. Aaaaaarrrrrggggg!!!!
Sorry guys time to go back to talking about cars - How about a 51 Pontiac Deluxe with auto and air? Flat head eight - powercruise transmission
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Stephen Lodge
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506
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 07:02 pm: | |
"54% of my county schools are Latino!! You can't find a parking space at the Social Services for all the cars with little Latin American flags hanging from the rearview mirror. Aaaaaarrrrrggggg!!!!"
Same statement, no political correctness:
54% of my county schools are Mexican!! You can't find a parking space at the Social Services for all the cars with little Mexican flags hanging from the rearview mirror. Aaaaaarrrrrggggg!!!!
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Novels by Stephen Lodge:
"Charley Sunday's Texas Outfit!"
"Nickel-Plated Dream"
"Shadows of Eagles"
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Dennis Collins
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 03:51 am: | |
Back in 1982 I spent the entire year living in Mexico to help launch a GM V-6 engine plant. In those days Mexico was designated a "Developing Nation" and had a preferred trading status. Mexican content laws forbade the sale of cars without a significant percentage of Mexican made components. It was a confusing formula that assigned point values to parts based on value and world market.
How many content laws do we have in the United States?
They only rule we seem to live by is "Cheap." We shop from right to left.
Japanese steel is an extremely inferior alloy when compared to American products. That's why Japanese wrenches spread or break when you put Yankee stress on them. You won't skin your knuckles using Snap-on tools but you can't buy them for pocket change either.
It's a global market out there but it's not a round or symmetrical world, some surfaces are flat, dry, and fast while others are full of speed bumps.
Why must the US be a world nanny?
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Allen Parker
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 08:33 am: | |
The real problem with paint peeling and chipping is the base coat/primer coat drying agent, Formaldehyde. When the US removed it from the primers, they began to dry at a non-uniform rate, causing some leakage of gas to be trapped between the paint and primer when exposed to sunlight.
Japan and China still use Formaldehyde in their primers as well as in their paint. Their version of the EPA has no problem with the use. Thus their paint holds up better.
As for front/rear drive, rear drive. The car is more stable being pushed along a line of axis as opposed to pulled through a reactive motion. Front wheel drives are about the economy of construction. The car can be made shorter, lighter, and with the combination rear end and transmission, less horsepower needed to achieve the same thrust while still manufactured into a smaller space. The real solution would be a coupled transaxle with mid engine weight solution like a 914 Porshe or a rear engine like a VW Beetle.
just a silly little thought...
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Kevin R. Paglia
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286
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 08:48 am: | |
I don't know much about mechanically thingies but I know experience. When I was driving a limo for a hotel in Northern Idaho (ok it was a large van) to and fro the airport and around town, when ever the ice hit I was more apt to feel the backside start trying to pass me going around bends in the rear wheel drive van than in my front wheel mini van. This says two things to me, first rear wheel's push may not be the best thing for icy conditions and, second, I need to buy a fun car 'cause I been driving vans for 19 yrs.
As for quality of construction, I've had three Dodges, two caravaans (again I need a fun car) and they both suffered catastrophic failure around 120k miles, my wife's Shadow died at 110k when a rod disintigrated. After three, we decided we will never own a Dodge again.
So far we are at 90k for the Ford windstar and it is still going great.
The only one I had problems with paint was with the 86 caravan where it was oxygenizing. Ok, I guess the windstar has some paint problems, but that's only because my wife seems to attract dings and scraps.
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Bill Nelson
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 07:10 pm: | |
Free trade does not have to be 50/50 to be beneficial. I agree the trade imbalances are too high, but, if our government wanted to they could fix it in a flash. A tariff here and an embargo there and viola!.
Is that going to happen any time soon? No! There is too much political posturing going on and not enough attention to business. |
Fred Dungan
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 11:12 pm: | |
I wouldn't own an American car any more than I would marry an American woman. Both are high maintenance. The truck in my carport is a beatup 1988 Mighty Max Mitsubishi and my ex-wife is a sharp 1957 slicker-than-snot, gold-digging Japanese whatchamacallit (rhymes with door). I'm hooked on Wasabi, sushi, and Calrose sticky short grain rice. I can't imagine what my life would be like if Admiral Perry had not sailed to Japan in 1858.
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Harry Simenon
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1985 Toyota Carolla.
It's always the oldest and most primitive car on any parking. Many people feel sorry for me, but I always drive off the parking instead of being pushed or towed. And no paint comming off.
I only clean it at funurals or weddings, and I'm very, very bad with maintenance.
I simply don't want to waste time keeping stuff running. (same reason I got a Mac instead of Windows)
In that sense the Japanese cars are better than US or European cars.
Mercedes has even a rather poor reliability compared to its price.
We sell stuff all over the world, so I see no problem buying stuff from all over the world. Only when I find two equal products in price and quality I'll go for the most local one. If not you often sponsor low quality.
My wife is European design and manifacturing, so is our son, but my daughter is an Asian model too. |
Dennis Collins
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 03:46 am: | |
Im Mexico, 50's era Chevrolets are the most common automobile on the roads and I seriously doubt that the shoeless natives are having Mr. Goodwrench administer his regular monthly 12 point maintenance program.
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Bill Nelson
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 09:06 am: | |
In Cuba, there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of 50's era American cars running around. That is their status symbol. They have garages (mechanics) who specialize in keeping them going, making parts or robbing from junk yards.
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Stephen Lodge
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 10:13 am: | |
Were you in Cuba with Michael Moore, Bill?
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"Nickel-Plated Dream"
"Shadows of Eagles"
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Bill Nelson
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 10:16 am: | |
No,I was there with the USAF.
Michael Moore should be given a tour of Gitmo, but on a one-way basis. |
Stephen Lodge
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509
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"Michael Moore should be given a tour of Gitmo, but on a one-way basis."
You can say that again ~
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Novels by Stephen Lodge:
"Charley Sunday's Texas Outfit!"
"Nickel-Plated Dream"
"Shadows of Eagles"
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Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 02:05 pm: | |
well, he's under investigation right now for several things, maybe they can make something stick......
Claudia
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Dennis Collins
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 03:13 am: | |
When I first moved from Detroit up to the Flint area, Michael Moore was the owner/editor of the mid-Michigan Communist newspaper. He was far from a household name in those days but was known locally as a guy who constantly tried to disrupt any sort of civic activity that had a positive theme simply to draw attention to himself.
Some of the radical UAW lunatic fringe saw him as an opportunity to put a figurehead on their cause without any backlash aimed directly at the UAW and they embraced him.
Way back before "Roger and Me," a high ranking UAW International officer was retiring and he was a guy that I had known at the local level years before and so I (even as a member of management) was invited to bid him farewell at a local bar right after work one day.
Michael Moore was at that get-together (probably because the Flint Journal had sent a photographer) and someone introduced us. Moore looked at my white shirt and tie and asked if I was UAW or one of "them." I told him that I was a supervisor and he said, "I don't shake hands with you M----r F----r's." It took all of the social graces that the nuns pounded into my head decades earlier to keep from punching him in the nose.
But that was before the long supressed biker image had surfaced in me.
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