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Pacwriter
Unity Member
Post Number:
2950
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 10:02 am: |   |
No longer are accidents just accidents. "Charges have not been determined" is a line included in almost any news report. Or, "if not determined" "Charges are pending".
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Stephen Lodge
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
521
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 10:52 am: | |
"They" always have to BLAME someone, don't they?
"They" = All of us.
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Fred Dungan
Unity Member
Post Number:
1935
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 05:39 pm: | |
In certain circles, innuendos pass for facts. We can be thankful that the Mindsightseries Forum isn't one of them.
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Kevin R. Paglia
Wandering Member
Post Number:
293
Registered: 07-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 09:33 pm: | |
I noticed during the shootings outhere in Thurston (with Kip Kinkle who also shot his parents). Even though six students tackled him and held him until the cops showed up they still called him the "alledged shooter". I guess they couldn't say he was guilty until he was convicted but how about the "caught in the act shooter" or "the one everyone saw do it, tackled and held until the cops showed up."
When did political correctness replace the facts?
Kevin |
Pacwriter
Unity Member
Post Number:
2951
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 09:39 pm: | |
Can you write a murder/mystery with alleged VICTIM?
Kev you've got a point - today's author has got to deal with PC.
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Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2793
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2007 - 10:05 pm: | |
"When did political correctness replace the facts?"
During the Warren Court years.
If you don't know the #&*** that came out of that Liberal debacle, look it up.
That's when we suddenly couldn't force a criminal to confess. Miranda.
That's when the death penalty was made illegal, but abortion was okay!
That's when criminal evidence had to be thrown out if the perps rights
were violated (never mind justice for the rights of the victim).
I'll stop before the cops get me, but that's when it started happening. |
Tom Elkins
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
775
Registered: 01-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 07:44 am: | |
My pet gripe is the overuse of the word "suspect" (the noun, not the verb). A bank is robbed. "The suspect escaped on foot." He has no name...he's not a suspect, he's a bank robber.
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
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Dennis Collins
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
2439
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 10:26 am: | |
We don't really have to deal with politically correctness unless we choose to. Freedom of speech supersedes bleeding hearts.
Dennis Collins
Moderator
www.theunrealmccoy.com
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Kevin R. Paglia
Wandering Member
Post Number:
294
Registered: 07-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 12:57 pm: | |
Please, It's profused cardio vascular pump.
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Harry Simenon
Unity Member
Post Number:
1574
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 01:45 pm: | |
If there would be a perfect justice system there would be no need for a word like 'suspect.'
I think it has little to do with political correctness, but more to do with facts: a suspect is a suspect until the crime is proven beyond reasonable doubt. And indeed in some cases that guilt might be more obvious than in other cases, but where should you draw the line? In many cases there are suspects that later turn out to be innocent.
Not too long ago two 'rapsts' and 'murderers' were locked up for a very long time. The case seemed pretty straight forward and obvious. In the US they would probably be sentenced to death. Years later it turned out the men were innocent after all. They could be set free.
Does killing innocents justify the death penalty? This has nothing to do with political correctness, but justice. You don't help a victim by convicting the wrong people, you only help the real criminal that way, as they are off the hook. |
Pacwriter
Unity Member
Post Number:
2952
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 04:18 pm: | |
In view of recent admonitions against jokes maligning any class of people, I thought I'd put together some examples of humor that are approved within the Tandem Values. Note how these jokes arise from existing ones that are not permitted, showing that humor can be found anywhere.
WRONG: Why can't blondes take coffee breaks?
This joke is offensive to two classes of people, blondes and coffee drinkers. It might also offend people who do not drink coffee for religious reasons.
RIGHT: Why can't pigmentally-challenged individuals take a short rest between job tasks?
Because the Mail Police are reading this joke.
WRONG: How do you kill a pink elephant?
This joke has many problems, as it is offensive to environmentalists, vegetarians, and elephants of all colors. It also promotes racism and classism among elephants, and, perhaps, among other species as well. It should not be sent to the HUMOR sig for these reasons.
RIGHT: How do you address an elephant of any color whatsoever?
Ask the Mail Police for full instructions.
WRONG: How do you double the value of a Yugo?
This joke would not be allowed because it offends Yugoslavians, other people affected by the strife in Eastern Europe, and goes against the Communist belief system that material goods are provided by the state for its populace and therefore should have no monetary value whatsoever. Members of the bicycle-sig will also feel uncomfortable because this joke encourages automobile use.
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Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
3085
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 04:27 pm: | |
Harry,
Obviously you haven't heard that there are many prisons in the USA where there is NEVER any kind of Death Sentence carried out and the prisoners live to be very ripe and old in age, and do it while living off of the American taxpaying population supplying them all the daily comforts that we all strive to gain for ourselves. Some people actually commit a crime to gain entrance into a prison system because they cannot gain all the comforts of home on their own.
Claudia
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Tom Elkins
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
776
Registered: 01-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 05:34 pm: | |
Let me explain, Harry. The story is that a bank has been robbed. No one has been arrested, or even identified. The robber fled. But he remains a robber. Unless, of course, you would like to surmise that the bank was not really robbed...it was all a scam. But let's humor ourselves and pretend that we know, beyond all reasonable doubt, that the bank was robbed. So the guy that ran away was a robber. If, at some future time, a person is arrested and accused of the robbery, he then becomes a "suspect. But not until then.
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
www.authorsden.com/tomelkins |
Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2794
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 05:59 pm: | |
If a man is standing over the bloody corpse of his wife with a hatchet in his hand, admitting he chopped her up because she burned his toast, he is an
axe-murder, period. However, some would suggest he is merely a suspect. It is
vaguely possible (about a million to one)someone else did it.
Now, we surely would not want to step on this "suspects" rights in any way and if the cops are not careful, his confession will be thrown out and a slick attorney might do the "if the glove don't fit, you must acquit" thing.
The wife's rights have already been violated. |
D.R. Bennett
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
397
Registered: 05-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 11:13 pm: | |
Guilty until proven innocent is the motto.
Anything else is just naive*
DR
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The Gods Of This World ISBN: 1424154200, ISBN-13: 9781424154203 |
Harry Simenon
Unity Member
Post Number:
1575
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 12:54 pm: | |
Thanks for the explanation Tom, in the case that you call the man who robbed the bank a robber I completely agree.
Claudia, no doubt that some prisoners never end up being executed, but I was under the impression that the US surely carried out deathsentences?
Bill, I agree completely with D.R.Bennet. You do not honor the wife's rights by taking the wrong one. |
Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2795
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 01:21 pm: | |
Harry, read Bennet's post again. |
Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
3087
Registered: 06-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 02:03 pm: | |
in many states, Harry, there is a death sentence; however, the convicted person usually has about three to seven appeals that he can use, and his family usually has a few of their own, so the chances of that prisoner actually going to the chamber are really slim to none, and if they do go, it is more than likely ten to thirty years after the conviction and imprisonment actually takes place. So, the state pays for their room and board for those 20+ years while he sits there and gets all the education he wants, watches TV, movies and has three squares a day, and all the gym privilidges he feels like using, a library, church, school that confers degrees, and free health care. IF he actually sees the death chamber, he can protest that he doesn't want the current way of execution, claiming that it is inhumane, even though he slashed a person's throat and tortured them before their death, he has the right to protest an inhumane death by lethal injection, which he won't feel and --- Oh, who the hell cares anyway........ and all of that cost us, the taxpayers for their whole lives.
I say, if they are proven guilty and the DNA matches from the scene and the victim, put the asshole down and quit giving them a free ride. Most of them cost us about $40,000 per year to sustain, and that is bunk. And if they do get out, because of an undefined glich, most likely they will re-offend. YES, you can teach some of them, but preditors and serial types should never be let loose on the streets again, they should be (for rapists) casatrated and holed up on an island like the French and English used to do. Let them fight to live on a place that is meant to obliterate them, in an inhumane climate. As you can see, I don't have much tolerance for people who are criminally inclined.....
Claudia
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Todd Hunter
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
3607
Registered: 02-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 06:48 pm: | |
It might be good to review CE's ground rules again.
(sorry, you'll have to scroll down to his post)
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Harry Simenon
Unity Member
Post Number:
1576
Registered: 10-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 01:28 pm: | |
I indeed misread Bennet's post  (I should have known better ofcourse.)
I'm much more an 'innocent until proven guilty' person, and happy the dark ages are behind us.
And now I will respect CE and step out of this discussion. |
Dennis Collins
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
2441
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 02:58 pm: | |
To address the original germ of this thread, I've been told that "accidents" require a great deal of investigation before the cause can be determined or responsibility assigned. The reason that the news reports them as "charges not determined," or "charges pending," is that the investigators did not witness the event and therefore must reconstruct the conditions and then figure out what really happened. It takes time and the news reporters can't wait.
In my lifetime I've witnessed maybe four or five "accidents" and, except in one case where the driver had a siezure, the "accident" was caused by one or more parties doing something incredibly stupid.
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Pacwriter
Unity Member
Post Number:
2953
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 04:23 pm: | |
A tree falls on a car and they go right to "and charges are "pending
a drawbrdige malfunctions "charges not determined at this time"
a squirrel jumps and misses a limb and lands on Dennis caused his to loose control of his bike, crashed into a the back of a mini-van, catapults over the van and lands in a farmer's hog pen seriously injuring a prize sow that in anger bit Dennis on the nose. Charges are not determined at this time.
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Frank Mazur
Wandering Member
Post Number:
172
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 04:54 pm: | |
Investigation discovers that tree-owner was advised by city street inspectors that said tree was rotten and could fall on the road and thereby cause an accident. Owner was ordered to remove tree in the interest of public safety. Owner ignored order and is now under arrest and charged with reckless endangerment.
Investigation revealed that drawbridge would not have malfunctioned if bridge operator had not stepped away to post new gripe (#1,000,426) on website. Authorities say operator may face charges that will really be something to gripe about.
Investigation of the third incident reveal that homeowner was ranging across his property, gun in hand, looking for varmints with the tenacity of a Jack Russell. Homeowner is being accused of setting in motion sequence of events that led to Harley rider crashing into pig pen. Additional investigation is seeking to determine why the prize boar bit cyclist on nose. Original report identified hog as a sow, but this was later learned to be incorrect. |
Pacwriter
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Post Number:
2954
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 05:09 pm: | |
Yep. you got the picture -- no such thing as an accident - always have to blame someone else what what goes wrong in your life.
The Born Loser should have consulted a lawyer.
Here's a new one - IN North Carolina the state is forcing a couple of homebuilders who finance their properties not to collect payments from the NEW homeowners because the NEW homeowners did not understand the loan papers.
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Pacwriter
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Post Number:
2955
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 05:49 pm: | |
NEW YORK (AP) -- A man celebrating his birthday with a bow and arrow in his apartment was charged with reckless endangerment after an errant shot shattered a window across the street, the district attorney's office said.
Two other arrows hit scaffolding on another building in the affluent East Side neighborhood when Noel Luria, 39, was shooting from his apartment into a target block mounted on his windowsill, police said. No one was injured.
''My intention was not to pick off somebody,'' he said. ''My intentions were to have a good time. I'm turning 40. It's an elegant instrument.''
Luria was also charged with criminal mischief and criminal possession of a weapon. A crossbow, a compound bow and 49 arrows were confiscated from Luria's apartment, according to the police complaint.
His attorney, Karen Hamberlin, declined to comment while she investigates the case.
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Gloria Marlow
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Post Number:
1967
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 06:43 pm: | |
"Here's a new one - IN North Carolina the state is forcing a couple of homebuilders who finance their properties not to collect payments from the NEW homeowners because the NEW homeowners did not understand the loan papers."
What if it said "IN Maryland the state is forcing a publisher to release already published books back to the NEW authors because the NEW authors did not understand the contract." ?
Contracts, loan papers, etc. --- no one wants to be bound to them if the terms turn out to be different than we expected or just plain not as good as we thought. Just the other day I recall that we were complaining the simon & schuster may have slipped some language into their contract that agents didn't notice or understand. Is there a difference?
"His attorney, Karen Hamberlin, declined to comment while she investigates the case."
The police charged him. It is a VERY good idea for HIS attorney to investigate as much as possible. Obviously, the evidence points to him. He (or the state) is paying for her to give him a good defense. She can't do that without some investigating and she certainly can't go out there and say "well, he's guilty, but I'm being paid to defend him".
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Pacwriter
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Post Number:
2956
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 07:11 pm: | |
anyway - there are no more accidents. Shoot an arrow into the air or Heaven forbid, miss your target and you go to jail.
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Dennis Collins
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Post Number:
2442
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 03:17 am: | |
My uncle was a full blooded Chippewa and had always claimed that he wanted to be buried in the traditional Indian fashion. As he lay on his deathbed, he summoned his oldest son to bring his bow and arrow. He explained, "I will shoot one last arrow into the air and you must bury me wherever that arrow lands." With his last ounce of strength feebly drew the bowstring and released the arrow.
We buried him on top of the dresser.
Oh yeah, and a HOG would NEVER bite a Harley rider.
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