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Frank Mazur
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Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 06:36 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

This Saturday morning's online Times has an op-ed piece on the fundamental commonality of science and religion. The link's below. It's a good read for those who enjoy ruminating about our universe.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/24/opinion/24davies.html?hp
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Harry Simenon
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Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 02:36 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I think it is an interresting article Frank, one of my favorite topics. But I believe the topic is off limits now here?

Personal anectdote: many years ago I was walking on a crowded, but large market place when a seagull dropped its shitload in my neck. (serves him right, I hear some of you think)

Why me, from all these people? I wondered.

If the seagull would have chosen another spot, somebody else would have asked that question, or perhaps even nobody at all.
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Frank Mazur
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Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 05:08 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I don't know that any topic is off limits here, Harry. I think what is off limits is the immediate degradation of a subject as participants take it from discussion and wonder to rant, name-calling, and the hardnosed stance that one viewpoint is right and the others wrong. It may be that the Collective Mind of this board does not have the knowledge to discuss much of anything, and this is the reason things go the way they often do.

Having said the above, I will now pursue the subject a bit, proceeding from your anecdote involving guano. I have wondered why living creatures, from humans to bugs, defecate, or excrete wastes, in the first place. And are there systems in the universe where this factor does not exist? Where perhaps creatures gain their sustenance solely from what is in their atmosphere, like some whales and rays do in water where they keep the mouth open and the water flows in along with the microscopic plankton? If I try to conceive of these points from a religious angle, then I can't help wondering if God excretes waste? And if so, why did He choose that factor in His plan, since it's generally believed that He has one. Similarly, I wonder what the laws of physics and religious faith have to say about why and how we eat each other? It's all mind boggling, but I like the mental exercise and see it as fun.

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Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 12:32 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I'm pretty convinced that there is life in many places in this immense universe. It is just the distance between such places in combination with a limited technological level that keeps us from finding out.

It seems that bears can regenerate their urine somehow during their wintersleep? So I can image that there can be life without excrements (outside plants, who rarely have been seen taking a solid dump.)

In general I believe that life can take forms even the most insane SF writers can't imagine.

The bible states that God created humans to look like Him? One can only wonder to how much detail though...

I'm on Darwin's side in this matters.

I also think that many animals have much more than just instinct, watch this about a rather clever crow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeQppJmOWJA
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