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Bill Nelson
Unity Member
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2910
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 12:23 pm: |   |
Man, That was a close one.
I went down town today and had to dodge sniper fire...
It was awful, but, I'm a trooper and seasoned veteran so it was okay! |
Pacwriter
Unity Member
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3151
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 02:04 pm: | |
were you on I-64 in Virginia? 
http://www.perrycomer.com
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Frank Mazur
Wandering Member
Post Number:
290
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 02:23 pm: | |
Too bad you can't ever dodge denigration. But if it makes you feel good about yourself, Bill, go for it.
3-dollar gas. Writers' strike. Read a great book by F. E. Mazur.
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Bill Nelson
Unity Member
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2911
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 04:26 pm: | |
Frank, I know it's pathetic, but I'm desperate for attention. |
Tom Elkins
Wisdom Member
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927
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 06:00 pm: | |
No, Bill was on the Riverwalk, where the most intense sniper fire is.
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
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Frank Mazur
Wandering Member
Post Number:
294
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 06:02 am: | |
Regarding the Hillary-sniper thing, here's a piece worth reading, Bill. I know you're no Frank Rich, but you could try, couldn't you?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/opinion/30rich.html?hp
3-dollar gas. Writers' strike. Read a great book by F. E. Mazur.
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"A BIGGER CASE" |
Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2912
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 09:34 am: | |
Sniff, sniff...Something's burning...what is that????
Oh, yes, it's Hilary...She's toast! |
Harry Simenon
Unity Member
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1811
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 02:23 pm: | |
Which means that McCain will be running against Obama. That's why Rush Limbough was persuading folks to vote for Hilery.
What strikes me about US politics is that scandals and lies seem much more important than the offered solutions to problems.
It appears not to be about explaining to the voters what one plans to do about certain situations, but who is best in smearing the opponents and lying about ones past? |
Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
3223
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 03:22 pm: | |
no, Harry, that is what is perceived, but what is really happening is that the lies and how they are handled are the vetting processes that every one who runs must push through to get to the first base (diving up of delegates), and then comes the nomination from the party. The run to the nomination is the pre-race and all the crap comes out during that time, from the other candidates and depends on how much those others running want that nomination, in other words, how much are they willing to hurt the other guy to win. After the nomination, then you will see - both - of the candidates talking about their ways of handling the problems. Oh, there will be plenty of crap slung, even then, but issues will be more important. Right now, we are getting to know these candidates and how they react to being held accountable and under the spotlight, and most of it is NOT being done very well, if I may say so myself. In fact, if it weren't that our country and overall perceptions of freedom are at stake in this particular election, it would be a laugh a minute ~~ the way both of the Dems are shooting themselves in the foot every time they turn around and then their own best friends, husbands and mentors are burying them even further thinking that they are helping and neither of them can run away fast enough to not get sullied.
What is going on is dead serious and very telling, but not in the way you are seeing it. It is the truth coming out in little bits and pieces, and much of it will eventually kill one or both of the opponents. Much like a duel, but without the guns and bullets.
Claudia
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Stephen Lodge
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
641
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 05:34 pm: | |
Too bad some voters refuse to admit what is the truth.
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Frank Mazur
Wandering Member
Post Number:
296
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 05:47 pm: | |
Come now, Stephen. That sounds to me like you're telling us you know the truth and the rest of us are full of sh_t.
3-dollar gas. Writers' strike. Read a great book by F. E. Mazur.
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"A BIGGER CASE" |
Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2913
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 10:10 am: | |
It sounds to me like Steve is just stating what we all know to be true.
Politics, and especially elections, are all based on lies of different degrees.
Eg. "I did not have a sexual relationship with that woman!"
"I am not gay, etc. etc."
Harry, you must be very dense if your think its only American politics are based on half-truths, innuendo and outright lies. Pick a country and find me a simon pure politician. |
Frank Mazur
Wandering Member
Post Number:
297
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 01:16 pm: | |
The Hillary sniper thing may be a lie. And then again it may not be. I say this because of a few details to which it is connected, along with some of my own and others' experiences. The details first: 1) she told the story on at least 3 occasions, not one right after another, but with considerable blocks of time between; 2) she had to know the event was videotaped by newspeople; and 3) she had to expect that someone—if not Obama people, then certainly some Republicans who absolutely hate her—would pull those videotapes and check for the accuracy of her rendition. Yet given all three of the above, she told the story anyway. Why?
Well, I don't know for certain and I am not offering a defense. But I can throw out two somethings that I think are worth consideration. The first of these relates to getting older and looking back on events of 10, 20, 30 years before. When I was younger, I motorcycled around the country with two friends; in the late 60s I traveled with another friend to the Soviet Union; and in the 70s a friend and I hauled freight to various cities and towns in the East. I've gotten together on occasion with each of them and it is remarkable how a memory we share is not the same at all. One of us might say to the other, "That didn't happen on that trip. That was two years later." Or you might get, "That occurred in Gary, Indiana, not Detroit." Or "He (fill in a name) wasn't even with us on that journey." Or, "No, you got it wrong. The transmission went out AFTER we dropped our load." There's no videotape of any of it, and so there's no proving whose memory is the more accurate. This sort of thing has happened enough that I know better than to stand hard on anything. You want to think you're right on the matter, but so does the other person.
The second something has some relationship (at least I think it does, but you'll understand why I can't be sure) to my writing. There are moments when I'm sitting quietly that a very clear event will come to mind, but I can't be certain if this is a recollection of something that really did happen, or if I dreamed it, or (here's the writing connection) if it was something I completely imagined, Because there are times when thinking about a story or possible story, that my imagination has become very intense.
In addition to what I've already mentioned, there's also the ingredient of 'embellishment.' Most people I know tend to embellish a matter or event that has at least the seeds of danger or similar arresting qualities.
So perhaps she lied, which suggests deliberation. Or perhaps some other things conspired to concoct the story.
3-dollar gas. Writers' strike. Read a great book by F. E. Mazur.
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Frank Mazur
Wandering Member
Post Number:
298
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 06:54 am: | |
Just bringing my words back to the top so that anyone who wants to respond, can.
3-dollar gas. Writers' strike. Read a great book by F. E. Mazur.
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Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2914
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 09:23 am: | |
Another explanation is she's delusional, so wrapped up in the hype that reality is blurred. This works for me. |
Harry Simenon
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1812
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 11:07 am: | |
Claudia:
“(...) what is really happening is that the lies and how they are handled are the vetting processes that every one who runs must push through (...)”
Would it not be much more interesting to discuss how politicians say they would handle reality-based situations instead of how they respond to lies and smearing? Or are lies and smearing the most important issue they will need to deal with?
And was it always like that, or did it evolve over time?
I would rather not vote at all than for a smear campaigner.
We had an MP (Pim Fortuyn) that was openly gay and did funny things with young men in dark rooms at discos. But all of that was well known and his opponents did not used it to smear him (perhaps some small, very religious parties did, I don’t know.) His opponents attacked him on political views and its consequences. I think that is the way it should be. I didn’t agree myself with the guy, but that had nothing to do with what he did in private.
He was shot by a animal-rights activist, which is certainly NOT the way it should be of-course.
Only if private activities are criminal they become interesting to voters.
I would prefer an political issue dual instead of a crap shoot out, but that’s me again I guess.
It's hard enough picking the least bad politician to vote for without the humbug... |
Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
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Post Number:
3226
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 03:45 pm: | |
Harry,
Here, we have a media who picks its darling candidates and won't even talk but a 20 second sound bite about anything negative that they have done, so most of the really tawdry stuff is only available on the internet and talk radio. The mud slinging is offensive and not nice at all, but that is about all we are getting from the candidates this season, because Obama has no real answers to anything as he has no real experience in anything at all, other than two years as a junior senator and he has been corrupt in even those two years, having had shady deals for both him and his wife encumbered into his election campaign and his experience as a senator. He signed into higher welfare programs and many other long term aid things to places that many of us only know on a map. Clinton is no better, everything she has tried is full of shady mis-dealings and murder/suicide allegations and buying off and deceiving the public on many charges and she also has NO REAL experience except as a shill or acting as the Ex-President's (I didn't have sexual relations with that woman) wife on public relations jaunts that don't qualify her for anything at all. Her book "It Takes a Village" was written by another person (which she plagiarized with consent but not recognition of the original author) and her health care program that she supposedly worked on for the first few years she was first lady blew up in her face and is as unusable now as it was then. She is not a diplomat and has absolutely no way to reconcile the way real Americans live in any respect as she has always been in the care and comfort of her crooked husband and his government positions or when she worked in the very few jobs that she ever actually held, they were commemorative jobs and she held them as favors. She only ever worked for a law firm where she actually held a job and that was defending the Black Panthers way back in the 70's-early 80's. Clinton gave away our white house to the highest bidders and sold off our bases on the west coast and closed down and disarmed our military. That is all the experience she even has in dealing with anything and her term and a half as a Junior Senator also qualify her for nothing except higher welfare programs taht she has signed into.
Neither of them have any actual experience in dealing with any of the issues. So, of course they don't want to really talk about it. It is all a flim-flam game to decieve and stump the public so that we remain blind to the reality that they are pushing, which is really nothing good at all.
McCain doesn't have that much actual experience in the private sector, so he will have to get a good vice president to bolster him in many economic areas, but he does have long-time experience as a Senator and public servant and in the defence sector, so he can state things with a certain amount of clarity and confidence as he has dealt with many of those things in his terms of Congress in the past. He has been in on Committees and boards that have given counsel for many items that are currently up for decision and need to be handled, and he does have much needed expertise in those ares. Neither Obama nor Clinton ever want to get into a tangle with him on any of those subjects as they will lose their eyeballs to his real knowledge. So they will try to keep all of the mud-slinging up as long as possible so that they can deflect until the very end the lack of knowledge that they actually have on anything that is monumental to the public making decisions about the future of this country and our own economic and policy futures. McCain will bury either of them in any "real" discussions about anything that is important and they both know it.
SO they don't want to ever let the political system know that they have no NEW answers or knowledge and abilities to handle anything pertinent. The only thing that they have are the words CHANGE and NEW DIRECTION and such, not any of which really means anything at all. Change to what, COMMUNISM or SOCIALISM, I don't think so, change to giving all of the taxes we pay to other countries to support them more than we already are doing, changes to giving to the poor so that an already lagging economy will be in even greater trouble when the taxes go up to pay for all those programs that they want and have already put on the table to be voted on and adopted into policy by the current Democratic Libs that hold this country in a stalemate already..... yeah, they really want us to all know that upfront, so that we can vote them in and know that we are losing our country.
That is why there are no substantive discussions about policy or issues. At least that is my take on what is happening and believe me, I pay a lot of attention to this campaign, and the why's and what for's of the way things are being handled.
Claudia
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Harry Simenon
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1816
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 11:08 am: | |
To me the mud slinging and smearing is not new to these elections, but have been around for quite some time and certainly not limited to Democrats alone.
What I would like to know is when these smearing campaigns became common?
I notice again your fear of socialism (you even use caps...) Dislike of Communism at least I can understand as there has never been a truly successful Communistic state as far as I know, but for a mild and balanced form of socialism the success of the Nordic nations can’t be ignored? (I think the Nordics do better than my own nation, and they are more socialistic than us. Our system is closer to the US than theirs.)
“Giving all of the taxes we pay to other countries” and “giving to the poor so that an already lagging economy will be in even greater trouble” do not match with the Nordic form of socialism.
Sure they give generously to other countries in need, but I think generally in a wise way and certainly not ‘all of the tax.’ And their economies can easily carry that as they are not plundered by corrupt big business. (You can look up the GDP for all nations and see how they do.)
The Nordics do not ‘give’ to the poor. The poor do not receive a blank cheque, they need to proof that they are doing their best to help themselves. Only then the government is willing to give them a helping hand.
Sure it is still not flawless, but in many areas they score at the top of the world.
They are among the best in education in the world, have very high standards of living for a very large portion of the people, a good economy, lowest corruption in the world etc...
Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and certainly also freedom FROM religion is standard of-course.
At least they are worth a small investigation of what could be learned from them?
Well, I have to admit to one serious flaw in the Nordic nations: criminally expensive alcohol! For that the Communist systems beat everything... |
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