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Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
Wandering Member
Post Number:
169
Registered: 08-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 06:37 pm: |   |
You say that the US is in Iraq on request of the Iraqi's. We are in Iraq NOW because Al Malaki came here and asked Bush to PLEASE NOT LEAVE NOW, not until the Police and troops of Iraq can handle the situations there, and he did in on TV.
This to save the Kurds and others who lost already about 300,000 people. DITTO to the answer above
Also, Osama blew up the WTC, and you needed to have a base in the 'region' (Middle East?) for the war on terror. AFTER we went over there and got troops in the region, and Saddam was on the run, we had to stay in the region to get the rest of the job done, the right way, not leave the country hanging without any way of protecting themselves.
You do not really believe that it was right to use Iraq as a base. Personally, I would have spread the whole military over a larger space to give them more ability to get bin Laden, but the way it was handled is OK with me, just made the concentration of the terrorists in a smaller area that is much more densely populated and therefore the civilians couldn't be protected as much as I would have liked, but I understand why it happened the way it did.
But if all those folks would not have start fighting among each-other the whole thing would have been over soon when Bush declared "Mission accomplished"
I think it would have not been as bad as it turned out, had the country come together after the initial mission, and been more adept at gaining their political objectives for the religion of the area in a less terroristic way.
The regular Iraqi's understand why you are there and want you there to help you. I think that they do, in an oblique way, but not to help me, rather to help themselves gain a government and economy that will sustain itself and protect them in the future.
The rest of the world is stupid and can't understand.
One entity should not have the right to determine for the whole world what is right and what is wrong. I will leave this one alone as I think you already know my answer to this one, the rest of the world is to damn self centered to understand what drove us into Iraq and too one visioned to ever think that we tried to do what was wanted, by some of the would be leaders that couldn't get that country away from the death squads and oppression that was being handed down by Saddam.
get a life Harry, and please quit being so one sided as to think that our whole government is made up of criminals and psychos. It isn't YET, but you just may get your wish when the election happens and these would be hope and change people possibly get elected. heaven help all of the world if that happens
Claudia
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Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
Wandering Member
Post Number:
170
Registered: 08-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 09:46 pm: | |
Also, I really have no desire to pursue this conversation with you, as you always tear everything down to make it show what you are trying to get across to everyone here, and that is that Bush is/was wrong and nothing anyone can say about this "war" is going to make it OK with you, so, this is the end of the discussion. I don't wish to argue with you or be browbeat into submission by your constant negating of every word someone writes about the "war" or Bush or anything political or White House connected. enough said? I hope so, as this conversation only makes me angry at you and your insistence about something that none/very few of us feels the same way about.
I happen to like my country and my President, as well as everything he stands for, if you don't (which I would presume is the case) please don't continually try to dampen my spirits about my country or denigrate it (the USA) anymore, as it is truly insulting. I don't presume to come into a site that you frequent and call you out on everything you believe and hold true, I would appreciate it if you didn't always do that here.
Claudia
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Stephen Lodge
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
664
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 05, 2008 - 09:54 pm: | |
A round of applause for Claudia and the American Troops who are fighting to keep the free world free!!!!!
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Harry Simenon
Unity Member
Post Number:
1923
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 03:43 am: | |
Claudia,
At this moment I'm NOT interested in a discussion about Iraq with you. I AM interested (very much so) in trying to understand why you think the way you do.
Is that OK?
"'You say that the US is in Iraq on request of the Iraqi's.' We are in Iraq NOW because Al Malaki came here and asked Bush to PLEASE NOT LEAVE NOW, not until the Police and troops of Iraq can handle the situations there, and he did in on TV."
This is as of now. But did the Iraqi's initially request the US to come?
Why did the US invade? |
Stephen Lodge
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
665
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 08:28 am: | |
"But did the Iraqi's initially request the US to come?
Why did the US invade?
You know the answer to that one, Harry -
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Novels by Stephen Lodge:
"Charley Sunday's Texas Outfit!"
"Nickel-Plated Dream"
"Shadows of Eagles"
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Harry Simenon
Unity Member
Post Number:
1924
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 12:11 pm: | |
I would like to hear Claudia's answer Stephen. |
Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2965
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 09:12 am: | |
I'm not Claudia, but...
The invasion of Iraq was not the European version of facts, Harry.
Among many reasons were, Iraq's constant violation of the no-fly zones, firing on UN patrol aircraft and not coming up with the UN mandated info on it's WMD program (which everyone in the world thought they had); to establish a presence in the middle-east to combat Islamic terrorism (yes, it's a real threat, Harry, even to you); to insure the oil supply was not cut off (not just to the US, but to the Western world); trying to put a buffer (UN presence, yes, UN, not just US)against the terrorist expansion of Hamas and their ilk; to expand Democracy in an area dominated by despots and long-time
human rights violators.
Most of the above was handled by the US because no body else had the balls to do it! It was not a popular decision to make, but our leadership made it in spite of all the liberal *&@# at the UN and around the world.
I'm sure a person with your political bent will refute this, but, as stated, you embrace the leftist, liberal European version which is just as slanted as ours is. |
Harry Simenon
Unity Member
Post Number:
1927
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 09:41 am: | |
Not intending to start another discussion, just would like to specify better what you say.
Where were those no-fly zones?
What was the name of the UN patrol aircraft, and where was it flying?
Why was Iraq chosen as a place to combat terrorism?
When will the USA bring democracy to a nation?
What indications were there that Saddam would cut off the oil supply?
In what direction would Hamas be spreading without the buffer? |
Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2966
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 07, 2008 - 01:54 pm: | |
Harry,
You are being absolutely silly now.
You know these are not valid questions. You're simply trying to b e argumentative, which is why people on this site don't like to get in
discussions with you. Grow up!
Are you implying there were no shooting incidents on UN sanctioned aircraft?
The rest of your inquiry is pure nonsense. Read any newspaper, any day, even yours. |
Harry Simenon
Unity Member
Post Number:
1930
Registered: 10-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 08, 2008 - 10:27 am: | |
Bill,
"Harry,You are being absolutely silly now."
Come on Bill, I'm always silly! Not only now...
At this moment I think it might be more interesting to understand how you form your view on reality. I’m not going to argue and I’m not going to discuss. If you really want I’m game though ; ) |
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