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Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2983
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 10:39 am: |   |
This is from a Reconnaissance Marine currently in Afghanistan. He is worthy of our thoughts and prayers as are all of our military deployed in some God-forsaken place:
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It's freezing here. I'm sitting on hard, cold dirt between rocks and shrubs at the base of the Hindu Kush mountains along the Dar 'yoi Pomir River watching a hole that leads to a tunnel that leads to a cave. It's a stake out, my friend, and no pizza delivery for thousands of miles.
I also glance at the area around my butt every ten to fifteen seconds to avoid another scorpion sting. I've actually given up battling the chiggers and sand fleas, but them scorpions give a jolt like a cattle prod. Hurts like hell. The antidote tastes like transmission fluid but God bless the Marine Corps for the five vials of it in my pack.
The one truth the Taliban cannot escape is that, believe it or not, they are human beings, which means they have to eat food and drink water. That requires couriers and that's where an old bounty hunter like me comes in handy. I track the couriers, locate the tunnel entrances and storage facilities, type the info into the handheld, shoot the coordinates up to the satellite link that tells the air commanders where to drop the hardware, we bash some heads for a while, then I track and record the new movement.
It's all about intelligence. We haven't even brought in the snipers yet. These scurrying rats have no idea what they're in for. We are but days away from cutting off supply lines and allowing the eradication to begin.
I dream of bin Laden waking up to find me standing over him with my boot on his throat as I spit a bloody ear into his face and plunge my Bowie knife through his frontal lobe. But , I'm a romantic. I've said it before and I'll say it again: This country blows, man. It's not even a country. There are no roads, there's no infrastructure, there's no government. This is an inhospitable, rockpit, a toilet ruled by eleventh century warring tribes. There are no jobs here like we know jobs.
Afghanistan offers two ways for a man to support his family: join the opium trade or join the army. That's it. Those are your options. Oh, I forgot, you can also live in a refugee camp and eat plum-sweetened, crushed beetle paste and squirt mud like a goose with stomach flu if that's your idea of a party. But the smell alone of those 'tent cities of the walking dead' is enough to hurl you into the poppy fields to cheerfully scrape bulbs for eighteen hours a day.
I've been living with these Tajiks and Uzbeks and Turkmen and even a couple of Pushtins for over a month and a half now and this much I can say for sure: These guys, all of em, are Huns. Actual, living Huns. They LIVE to fight. Its what they do. Its ALL they do.
They have no respect for anything, not for their families or for each other or for themselves. They claw at one another as a way of life. They play polo with dead calves and force their five-year-old sons into human cockfights to defend the family honor. Huns, roaming packs of savage, heartless beasts who feed on each others barbarism. Cavemen with AK 47's. Then again, maybe I'm just cranky.
I'm freezing my butt off on this stupid hill because my lap warmer is running out of juice and I can't recharge it until the sun comes up in a few hours.
Oh yeah! You like to write letters? Do me a favor, Bizarre. Write a letter to CNN and tell Wolf and Anderson and that awful, sneering, pompous Aaron Brown to stop calling the Taliban 'smart.' They are not smart. I suggest CNN invest in a dictionary because the word they are looking for is 'cunning.' The Taliban are cunning, like jackals and hyenas and wolverines. They are sneaky and ruthless and, when confronted, cowardly. They are hateful, malevolent parasites who create nothing and destroy everything else. Smart. Pfft. Yeah, they're real smart.
They've spent their entire lives reading only one book (and not a very good one, as books go) and consider hygiene and indoor plumbing to be products of the devil. They're still figuring out how to work a Bic lighter. Talking to a Taliban warrior about improving his quality of life is like trying to teach an ape how to hold a pen; eventually he just gets frustrated and sticks you in the eye with it.
OK, enough. Snuffle will be up soon so I have to get back to my hole. Covering my tracks in the snow takes a lot of practice but I'm good at it. Please, I tell you and my fellow Americans to turn off the TV sets and move on with your lives.
The story line you are getting from CNN and other news agencies is utter bullshit and designed not to deliver truth but rather to keep you glued to the screen through the commercials. We've got this one under control. The worst thing you guys can do right now is sit around analyzing what we're doing over here because you have no idea what we're doing and, really, you don't want to know. We are your military and we are doing what you sent us here to do.
You wanna help? Buy Bonds America
Jack
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Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
Wandering Member
Post Number:
185
Registered: 08-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 12:18 pm: | |
I wish that could be published in every newspaper in America......
hey, Bill send a copy of that to Lee Ellis at indiolee@dc.rr.com. He is a nationally known/syndicated writer, Steven reads his columns all the time and so do I. He might jsut include it in one of his op-ed pieces..... but before you do, please run a snopes check on it or have your friend verify where it was written from and when it came to him and to you. Just for the doubting Thomas' out there, you know, (like Frank).
Claudia
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Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2984
Registered: 10-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 07:26 am: | |
Claudia,
If I were to send it to Ellis (I won't) he can check Snopes, I don't do that.
I don't have any more confidence in Snopes than the NY Times or any other slanted publication.
I know a lot of things floating on the net are bogus, but buyer beware. We're all big boys and girls. I'm not going to waste my time playing editor for everything that comes across.
If others wish to, get after it.
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Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
Wandering Member
Post Number:
186
Registered: 08-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 01:29 pm: | |
Bill,
the ONLY reason I suggested that you check kit was because Ellis is probably over-burdened by getting all sorts of articles and news blips and suggestions regarding what he should write about, and I was just suggesting you check it first because of his time involvement per article per person sending stuff to him. Just to make things easier for him, should he want to use it, it would already be verified. I personally don't like to check things either ( sometimes send things on just on the merit ofo what they are saying, not whether they area true or not), and Snopes is not the god of all things true or false, by anyone stretch of imagination.
It was just a suggestion that I thought that would lessen the time load for Mr. Ellis should you want to send something to him.
Claudia
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Todd Hunter
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
3860
Registered: 02-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 04:14 pm: | |
If others wish to, get after it
So let it be written, so let it be done.
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Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2985
Registered: 10-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 05:35 pm: | |
Okay,
What's the point? So a Marine named Jack didn't write it. So what?
How does that affect anything? Is it not food for thought after all?
Is it totally incorrect about a soldier in a hell-hole?
Have we smuggly uncovered a heinous plot to poison out minds about our troops in the field?
So what? So what? So what?
If someone ask you to send money to a Marine named Jack, maybe it would warrant some of your time, but just to do a "gottcha" on something like this is a total waste of time IMO.
How do you determine who at Snopes said this was bogus? How do you investigate Snopes? Is everything they say gospel? Is their word automatic? |
Stephen Lodge
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
671
Registered: 06-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 09:25 pm: | |
Bill,
The other side thrives on lies - hopefully, our side will always stick to the truth.
http://www.stephenlodge.com
Novels by Stephen Lodge:
"Charley Sunday's Texas Outfit!"
"Nickel-Plated Dream"
"Shadows of Eagles"
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Todd Hunter
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
3861
Registered: 02-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2008 - 05:12 am: | |
What's the point? So a Marine named Jack didn't write it. So what?
There are plenty of things to get irate about, and plenty of first-hand experiences on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan to spread. Use the ones that actually happened and as Stephen mentioned, you won't be sinking to undesirable levels.
There's a fellow at work who constantly spreads misinformation, and gets caught doing so. He continues to spread misinformation, with an occasional truth in the middle. Any guesses on whether anyone believes what he says when that truth gets through?
How does that affect anything? Is it not food for thought after all?
If it was presented as a work of fiction, illustrated as a letter from a soldier on the battlefield, meant as food for thought, it wouldn't be a problem. But it wasn't...
A fellow went on Oprah and pushed his "memoir" as truth as well...we see how well that turned out.
Is it totally incorrect about a soldier in a hell-hole?
Then talk to a local soldier...get his story...write it down...and post it. I'd be all for it. We have an Army Chaplain who occasionally e-mails our Pastor, who then reads it from the pulpit. It gets the same effect as this was intended to (increased support for the troops, etc.) and it's all true.
If someone ask you to send money to a Marine named Jack, maybe it would warrant some of your time, but just to do a "gottcha" on something like this is a total waste of time IMO.
You're the one who said that someone should check it out on Snopes if they want to, Bill. 
Besides, I never consider the determination of the truth a waste of time.
How do you determine who at Snopes said this was bogus? How do you investigate Snopes? Is everything they say gospel? Is their word automatic?
They back up their claim with rational thoughts and facts...you haven't read the Snopes article, have you?
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Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2986
Registered: 10-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2008 - 11:03 am: | |
I wouldn't want to argue about something so silly, but I think you guys
are picking fly s*%t out of pepper.
Good grief, do you run every thing you read through Snopes?
That's paranoia.
And, no, I don't read Snopes, I have you!
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Stephen Lodge
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
672
Registered: 06-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2008 - 12:48 pm: | |
"do you run every thing you read through Snopes?"
I do, until I can find something better.
Steve
http://www.stephenlodge.com
Novels by Stephen Lodge:
"Charley Sunday's Texas Outfit!"
"Nickel-Plated Dream"
"Shadows of Eagles"
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Frank Mazur
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Post Number:
337
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2008 - 11:34 am: | |
"Just for the doubting Thomas' out there, you know, (like Frank)."
"Question" is the better word. Not "doubt." You should try it sometimes, Claudia. And I don't mean questioning the things you already know you don't believe in, like when some of those here would question Harry. I mean questioning the things you're already dead-sure of. That's takes some courage and a mind that's not afraid to work.
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Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
Wandering Member
Post Number:
187
Registered: 08-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2008 - 01:51 pm: | |
Frank,
You have ABSOLUTELY no idea about JUST HOW CURIOUS I AM on virtually every side of each and every subject, so you have no right to say anything as stupid and silly as you just posted about me. You don't know me as anything other than a name on some posts that you obviously have to take great pains to even read and then you still don't understand anything about the person writing them at all. I made that little reference to you as a small pun, and you are so damn serious that you couldn't get it. Get a freaking life you completely absorbed in yourself, insipid, wannabe supernatural teacher exemplar, who has to be seen as the great savior of this board by showing everyone here that we all ought to look always for the other side of every issue. What is the matter, Frank, can't take a small little run at humor on your pigeonholed ideas? Besides, I really put it in there to let you know that you were still being thought about, during your absence. Silly little self-important man that you are, you couldn't see that. Talk about someone who thinks every slam (or in this case, pun that was meant to say "Hi"  ) is totally intended to be mean them, my aren't you hypersenitive?
By the way, you don't have the cojones to really lecture someone who is much older and more experienced than yourself, or do you? You are younger and even more blind stupid and naive by far than I ever was, even at your age. I don't think you want to get into that fight with me cause your dog just wouldn't know how to stand up.
Claudia
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Laurel Johnson
Unity Member
Post Number:
4537
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2008 - 03:06 pm: | |
Good heavens. It's deja vu all over again. Just about the time I think it's safe to stick my toe into the waters again and glean a bit of humor or info from the board, I run across a disheartening thread like this one turned out to be.....on the public board for the world to see.
If anyone, including me, thought about giving an opinion on Bill's original post, they'll leave skid marks running away. These are my skid marks ======= =======================================================
Laurel Johnson
http://laureljohnsonblogs.blogspot.com
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Stephen Lodge
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
673
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 08:34 am: | |
To All:
Please don't forget this country is in a war against terror. We must do all we can to prevent another 9/11.
http://www.stephenlodge.com
Novels by Stephen Lodge:
"Charley Sunday's Texas Outfit!"
"Nickel-Plated Dream"
"Shadows of Eagles"
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Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2987
Registered: 10-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 10:26 am: | |
Steve,
Color me dense.
I fail to see how posting something on an obscure board (we've got about eight
regular posters) cab be equated to the war on terror and have any effect on another 9/11.
The subject simply isn't conducive to sparking revolution.
On topics that are genuinely important, I would agree that validation is of utmost importance, on 'everyday, water-cooler talk, who cares?
That's a bit of an over-reaction IMO.
I'm going with Laurel now===================================================== |
Stephen Lodge
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
674
Registered: 06-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 01:33 pm: | |
Skid all you like, I speak the truth.
http://www.stephenlodge.com
Novels by Stephen Lodge:
"Charley Sunday's Texas Outfit!"
"Nickel-Plated Dream"
"Shadows of Eagles"
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Harry Simenon
Unity Member
Post Number:
1951
Registered: 10-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 08:58 am: | |
What's this?
I leave for a short holiday, return to expect a tranquil, even sleepy Mindsight and I find this! You start to quarrel among each-other! And Frank cunningly took advantage of my absence to take my place at the center of some people's kind attention. I'M JEALOUS!
Skid marks right in! =============================================
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281 (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 01:29 pm: | |
IM0. Claudia Turner VanLydegraf should be stripped of her moderator duties and banned from this board forever. She's nothing but a right wing Bush smoocher. She's not even a good author. Read a few pages from any of her books and you will not be tempted to read more. Need I say more. If this was my board Claudia you would have been gone last year. All you do is start cyber fights and defend Bush's horrific presidency. I plea to the board members to exocise Claudia away from Mindsight for the purpose of making the site enjoyable again. |
Harry Simenon
Unity Member
Post Number:
1952
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 01:55 pm: | |
Hi H.B. Marcus,
How is life after death? |
Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2988
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 02:41 pm: | |
" If this was my board..."
It ain't.
You have no say. |
Harry Simenon
Unity Member
Post Number:
1954
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 03:26 pm: | |
281:
"Claudia Turner VanLydegraf should be stripped of her moderator duties and banned from this board forever."
I don't think anybody should be banned: there are few active members as is.
I do think that moderators should set a certain standard in behavior though and preferably not burst out in irrational emotional rants against other members, even when that can be quite entertaining sometimes to me.
Personal attacks might scare many more moderate members into the lurking mode and simply make any board look ugly. Perhaps that is why there are only a few active people left?
But is Claudia still a moderator? It says: 'wandering member.'
By the way: 'Wandering Member' sounds a bit like a male 'player' to me, but I am in a silly mood again so that will be just me. |
Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2989
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 12:40 pm: | |
Steve,
Post the e-mail you sent me (re:Snopes, etc.)
If you do, no one will comment.
It's kinda like a Democrat admitting the surge is working (has worked). |
Stephen Lodge
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
675
Registered: 06-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 01:21 pm: | |
It isn't a secret that Snopes, Wikipedia, Google and other sources of "learning" are in the hands of leftists, as leftist refuse from the three TV networks appear popping up in documentaries on the History Channel, the National Geographic Channel, and in some of the Discovery Channel Network. They are clever; they display hard-factual information, strategically peppered with flatly, but carefully, doctored information propping up leftists and the Left.
Below is the actual and true letter that Captain Jeffrey S. Porter sent out exposing Obama's appearance in Afghanistan as a careful choreographed event aimed a beguiling unsuspecting Americans with the notion that just by the virtue of a whirlwind weeklong tour across more than ten thousand miles, BHO is, by spontaneity, a full fledged world-class statesman.
Snopes contends that Cpt. Porter's letter is false, which renowned columnist JB Williams rebuts soundly in the letter at the bottom.
Hello everyone,

As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to ‘The War Zone’. I wanted to share with you what happened.

He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram. 
 
As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn’t say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service. 
 
So really he was just here to make a showing for the American’s back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.
 
 I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States. I just don’t understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country. 
 
If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.
In service, 
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter 

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From: JB_Williams@comcast.net
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: 7/26/2008 1:49:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Subj: SPECIAL FOLLOW-UP TO "Obama's Pompous Circumstance" (The Porter letter)
Friends,
As a result of personal attacks I have received regarding my column Obama’s Pompous Circumstance International Pandering Bound to Backfire, all of which revolve around the letter from military Chaplain Porter, stationed in Afghanistan, I have decided to copy all of you on my official response to the claims that Porter's letter is "false" according to Snopes... Nothing else in the column, such as the Mitchell interview with Matthews or the facts surrounding Obama meetings with Israel, have been challenged.
Here it is... use it to answer anyone who raises this issue with you and thanks for your loyal support!
Snopes should be put out of business...
1) On the day of my release, Snope's was reporting the Porter letter as
(under investigation). I already knew it was authentic.
2) A day later, Snopes marked the Porter letter as "false," however, if one
reads the Snopes report, it is NOT "false" on the basis of not being
"authentic" exactly as posted in my column. In fact, Snopes like all others who
investigated the letter, (myself included), concluded that the letter is
indeed authentic, exactly as reported.
3) However, as Snopes is run by more left-wing internet geeks just like
Google, Snopes marked it as "false" on the basis that they disagree with
Capt. Porter's opinion of events on the ground in Afghanistan.
4) The military brass who "staged" the "photo ops" in question, quickly
moved to silence Capt. Porter and rebut his account. Astonishing that they
would do such a thing, no?
It is on this basis that Snopes now shows Porter's authentic letter as
"false." The letter is NOT "false," but rather quite "authentic"written by a
real American military Chaplin who was indeed present during Obama's
Afghanistan visit. I'm sure it will come as no surprise that others present
may have a different account of events.
As usual, left-wing Obamacons choose to overlook these minor details. Here's
another example... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25825692/page/2/ in MSNBC's
account of the Barockstar Berlin socialist pep rally in which they suggest
that Obama drew more than 200,000 adoring German socialists in support of
his bid for International leader of the One World Order, I'm paraphrasing
here of course, for the terminally ignorant. They also state that only
75,000 were expected at the event.
Note that they forgot to mention it was a FREE ROCK CONCERT which Obama
"staged" complete with beer and brats, similar to the FREE ROCK CONCERT they
used to draw thousands in Oregon. The FREE ROCK CONCERT drew 200,000 (down
from the publicly predicted 1,000,000 actually expected) a prediction the
Obama campaign publicly downplayed for obvious reasons.
http://www.drudge.com/news/110368/german-crowd-came-see-free-concert-not
We are witnessing the works of Obama's 400 PAID Bloggers. They are
online 24/7 (including at Snopes) spreading Obamaganda as fast as they can
type....
If you Snopes search 50 Obama Lies, you will see Snopes answers those
alleged "lies" by saying essentially, "it depends on what the meaning of
"is" is....
Snopes has been pimping for Obama almost as long as the alphabet networks and Google.
END of story!
I stand by every word of the original column on the basis of facts presented.
Best!
JB Williams
JB_Williams@comcast.net
www.JB-Williams.com
"That's what I love about America! - We've done so many things that "can't be done" - that we have become bored with the possible!" - JB
http://www.stephenlodge.com
Novels by Stephen Lodge:
"Charley Sunday's Texas Outfit!"
"Nickel-Plated Dream"
"Shadows of Eagles"
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Stephen catch a ride with Claudia and GET OUT OF HERE! You've been banned!!! |
Harry Simenon
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1958
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 01:57 pm: | |
Snopes does not claim that this letter is false, they claim that what is stated in the letter is false.
Snopes article
There are pictures of Obama meeting troops, and a movie of him eating with several military.
Furthermore others claimed they DID meet with Obama.
Now Obama is still a politician, so his motivations you can question just like you can question the motivations of all politicians, but he DID meet with soldiers. |
Nancy Mehl
Mindsight Moderator
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2699
Registered: 08-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 01:59 pm: | |
Stephen,
Thanks for posting that. I usually take Snopes as a resource to check out stories. I will be very careful about that from now on.
Too bad the media can't just "report" the news anymore. I'm tired of people trying to manipulate it for their own agendas.
I believe that's called "propaganda." And it happens on both sides. You don't know who to trust anymore for news.
And you're not banned, but could someone please take care of this (removing names because it wasn't nice) who hides behind a number?
Real brave... (This thought stands.)
Nancy
MINDSIGHT MODERATOR
"The Ivy Towers Mystery Series" Barbour Books - 2008
www.nancymehl.com
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Harry Simenon
Unity Member
Post Number:
1959
Registered: 10-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 02:01 pm: | |
281,
Although I rarely agree with Stephen I can't see anything wrong with his post regarding posting behavior. You behave like a troll though. If you don't agree with something use logic, facts and stay civil. |
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Harry, I didn't call any names but Nancy Mehl sure did. She called me an ignorant goofball. What gives her the right to call me out of my name and refer to me in that manner? She needs to be reprimanded for disobeying the forum's guidelines.
IMO, Claudia and Stephen stir up more mess on Mindsight than a military cook. |
Harry Simenon
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1960
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 02:40 pm: | |
Some pics, as most will not bother to check I asume...
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Harry Simenon
Unity Member
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1961
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 03:28 pm: | |
Stephen,
A bit more about Obama in Germany:
"Obama drew more than 200,000 adoring German socialists in support of
his bid for International leader of the One World Order, I'm paraphrasing
here of course, for the terminally ignorant. They also state that only
75,000 were expected at the event."
Now I doubt it very much that those 200,000 Germans were all socialsts, but who knows? But if Williams read the article more carefully he might have read this:
"Police spokesman Bernhard Schodrowski said the speech drew more than 200,000 people, more than double the estimated 75,000 he drew in Oregon this spring."
Williams says: "They also state that only 75,000 were expected at the event."
This is clearly not true, they claimed Obama drew that in Oregon.
"Note that they forgot to mention it was a FREE ROCK CONCERT which Obama
"staged" complete with beer and brats, similar to the FREE ROCK CONCERT they
used to draw thousands in Oregon."
As far as I know it wasn't a rockconcert, but some like the BBC mentioned:"Berlin's city center took on the atmosphere of a rock concert"
BBC article
"Mr Obama's appearance had the air of a rock concert in the Tiergarten Park, a place that has become associated with huge feel-good football parties in recent years, the BBC's James Coomarasamy reports."
Again: "had the air of a rock concert"
Living in Europe I could attest that Obama is much more popular here than McCain (some don't even know McCain,) so that Obama drew that much people in Berlin is not that strange. |
Bill Nelson
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Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain are not running for President of Germany or France.
Obama is trying to give the impression that he IS the President, following Kennedy and Regan (real Presidents with credentials).
It's all a staged, propaganda event and I can see how all the left leaning Euros would like Obama. Hell, I think he is fantastic as a speaker and has a good deal of charisma, but so have some of our tele-evangleist of some repute.
That is not qualification for being the President of the most powerful nations on the face of the globe when the the fate of the world is on a razor's edge.
We need leadership with experience, not oratory.
And I do so want to say, "SEE, SEE," about Snopes. I don't see any of you who jumped on whipping up on me, offering any comments.
See, See?
Also, "They are clever; they display hard-factual information, strategically peppered with flatly, but carefully, doctored information propping up leftists and the Left." Let's see, do we know anyone who posts here that does that?
Hmmm, let me think...
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Harry Simenon
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1962
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Bill, READ the Snopes article, READ the Williams article, READ the MSNBC's article.
Snopes claimed that the facts in the letter were wrong, not that the letter itself was falsified. Those facts hold up.
A short check on the Williams story shows that this guy is fabricating things out of thin air.
What good will it do you to ignore what is right in your face? What's the use?
It could well be that Obama is no good, we don't know yet, after all he is still a politician so time will tell. But it is useless to twist reality into something you like; you will lose grip on reality. |
Stephen Lodge
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676
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'"Obama drew more than 200,000 adoring German socialists in support of
his bid for International leader of the One World Order, I'm paraphrasing
here of course, for the terminally ignorant. They also state that only
75,000 were expected at the event."'
I understand they all came for the free music concert.
http://www.stephenlodge.com
Novels by Stephen Lodge:
"Charley Sunday's Texas Outfit!"
"Nickel-Plated Dream"
"Shadows of Eagles"
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Harry Simenon
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As I said Stephen, there was NO free music concert.
The BBC said:"Berlin's city center took on the atmosphere of a rock concert"
That does NOT mean that it WAS a rock concert, just that it took on the ATMOSPHERE of a rock concert. It was NOT a rock concert.
Everybody can dress LIKE a queen, but that will NOT make you a queen.
Williams made a free rock concert out of it and you may ask if he just misinterpreted the BBC news or gave it a little twist of his own to suit his needs.
The sentence "Obama drew more than 200,000 adoring German socialists," would a well informed and neutral person in search of the truth never use: it is completely silly to claim that all those 200,000 Germans were socialists. I don't claim that it is impossible, but it is extremely unlikely. You may safely assume that those 200,000 will have been made up about average Germans ranging from left to right.
If you want to check the BBC article yourself you can follow the link in my post #1961, see a few posts above where I discussed the whole thing.
Just as Williams said that they expected 75000 while the MSNBC article you posted yourself said this:
"Police spokesman Bernhard Schodrowski said the speech drew more than 200,000 people, more than double the estimated 75,000 he drew in Oregon this spring."
Oregon is not in Germany, it is in the USA.
But the main point is that Snopes was not wrong at all;
The claim was: "Barack Obama blew off US soldiers during a Juli 2008 trip to Afghanistan."
Snopes said: "False"
Meaning: Barack Obama DID NOT blow off US soldiers during a Juli 2008 trip to Afghanistan.
Snopes did NOT claim that the letter wasn't authentic, something even Williams does not deny, but that the content of the letter was obviously not true. And this is not a matter of opinion or taste but a simple fact. If Snopes would have marked it as 'true,'than everybody could sent in letters claiming the most absurd situations and it would all be marked 'true,' only for the fact that the letter was indeed signed by the writer using his correct name.
Many answers to questions are a matter of reading. |
Stephen Lodge
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There were rock bands playing before the speech.
http://www.stephenlodge.com
Novels by Stephen Lodge:
"Charley Sunday's Texas Outfit!"
"Nickel-Plated Dream"
"Shadows of Eagles"
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Harry Simenon
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Could well be, but Obama was obviously the main dish.
Could you show me the source? |
Bill Nelson
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Run it through Snopes. |
Harry Simenon
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I thought you weren't too fond of checking the reality of statements Bill? |
Harry Simenon
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1973
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Besides CNN and MSNBC, even FOX news uses Snopes (when it suits them I suppose.)
"The urban legends-debunking Web site http://www.snopes.com has a page devoted to exposing the false claim that Red Bull contains a banned substance linked to brain tumors."
I can't get the link to FOX to work, but you can follow the wikipedia one about Snopes reference #8. |
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