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Dennis Collins
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
432
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 07:17 pm: |   |
Speaking of form...
Try this...
http://www.holtuncensored.com/ten_mistakes.html |
LaurieAnne
Unity Member
Post Number:
1126
Registered: 12-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 08:52 pm: | |
I managed to miss this post when it originated.
CE, I have no idea why the varying italics requirements. I know in MY case, it is much easier to see the items the author would like to see italicized by having it underlined. Personally, it's a royal pain in the rumpus when it comes to dealing with changing it all BACK to italics for the layout process. When you receive a printed document, there are so many factors that can affect the print quality, thus causing some words to appear italicized when they are not. HOWEVER, to be fair, this usually only occurs in cases involving a dot matrix printer. I don't know very many people who still use a dot matrix, but there are some. Of course, if you get a paper jam, even on an inkjet printer, you can get some interesting character formations.
That is the only real purpose I can see for it. (I'm actually getting ready to change that particular portion of requirements as listed on my website.)
PAC, when you are typing on a typewriter, and for those of us who LEARNED on a typewriter, having 2 spaces after the end of a sentence was standard practice so that one could easily distinguish one sentence from another. I had the absolute hardest time when I began keyboarding everything into a word processor because of this. When using a word processor, it is not necessary to use 2 spaces. One space will suffice. The main reason for the difference in the word processor system is that it makes the type look extremely awkward having 2 spaces between sentences.
CE, regarding MLA standards, yes, 2 spaces are standard for MLA. However, the publishing industry does not follow MLA standards. That's more of a college term paper thing, (IMO) just to make life more difficult.
Bill, I wouldn't squabble about the first paragraph not being indented, although I like uniformity, including that indent. However, having the extra line between paragraphs is an absolute nuisance in the eyes of an editor, who would have to sit there and delete all of those extra lines. The only time you would need an extra line between paragraphs is if you used block formatting (as in a letter) and never indented anything--at which point, again, you would be nagged for your formatting.
Dealing with indents can be a royal pain in the tookus, too. For example, those who use word will notice that if you continuously open a new paragraph with a 1/2-inch indent, at times, Word will automatically create the hanging indent. This is usually not a problem, unless you are completely anal, like me, and want everything to be either one way or another. Especially when sometimes, converting the files for publication, the tabs jump all over or the hanging indents suddenly disappear.
Back to the extra line between paragraphs: I have only seen 1 publisher's requirements list this expectation (back when I was submitting) and I got so sick and tired of changing my files with all of the formatting issues that I decided to create 10 different files for each completed MS. That got old REAL fast. I never DID submit anything to that company. I found it to be more work than it was worth.
Anyhow, enough with my input for now.
Later,
LA
LaurieAnne
http://www.authorsinkbooks.com |
Todd Hunter
Unity Member
Post Number:
1011
Registered: 02-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 05:13 am: | |
LA, pay attention to when it autoformats your paragraph, and hit undo (or CTRL-z if you are too busy typing). If it keeps doing it, try going into your autoformat options, and unclicking stuff that may be pertinent...what version of Word are you running?
Strange, I just typed a half-page of useless one-line sentences, while indenting every paragraph, and it never did change my hanging indent. Weird. |
Kevin P. Grover
Unity Member
Post Number:
1012
Registered: 03-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 06:34 am: | |
Actually, I did a little looking into this...
Underlining italics thing developed before computers, when it was not possible to type italics.
However, with computers today, it is just as easy to put them in in italics, or underlined, or whatever the publisher desires. Personally, I prefer them to be placed in the mss in italics, since it's a pain in the neck to go back and change them all over when I'm ready to format for print.
But, again, it's individual preference.
www.winterwolfpublishing.com |
LaurieAnne
Unity Member
Post Number:
1129
Registered: 12-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 06:53 am: | |
It may not be the version of Word, Todd. It's probably just my computer. No matter that I've gone through 3 computers in less than 6 years, I get weird shit happening to my system.
I use the keyboard commands all the damned time because I learned the computer before the mouse even existed. I love CTRL+A (select all), CTRL+C (copy), CTRL+V (paste), CTRL+X (cut), CTRL+Z (undo), CTRL+Y (redo) CTRL+B (bold), CTRL+I (italic), CTRL+E (center), CTRL+L (left), CTRL+R (right), CTRL+U (underline), CTRL+1 (single space), CTRL+2 (double space), CTRL+5 (1.5 space).....the list goes on and on...and I hated it when they took away the CTRL+ or ALT+ F1 (close window) feature in windows XP. I miss that. Now, I have to use ALT+F, X or ALT+F, C to close the windows, or else use my mouse.
Anyhow, my main problem, as I said, is with pasting the word features into Quark. The keyboard commands are not the same in Quark, dang it all. So, I absolutely HAVE to have a mouse to use Quark. But, such is the life of composition for web offset printing.
LA
LaurieAnne
http://www.authorsinkbooks.com |
C. E. Winterland
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
1279
Registered: 06-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 07:16 am: | |
LA -
Give ALT+F4 a try.
CEW |
LaurieAnne
Unity Member
Post Number:
1130
Registered: 12-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 10:18 am: | |
Oops. You're right.
There used to be, with windows 95, that you had to alternate between using Alt+F4 and CTRL+F4 to close multiple windows.
(Stupid me....F1 is for help. LOL)
Of course, when you are on a MAC for layout and design, you get the OPTION+CTRL+SHIFT, etc....it takes 2 hands for many of the keyboard controls. That's why, since it has been eons since I used a Mac, that I choose the mouse (for now---I'm sure that will change as I get to be more familiar with it again).
Of course, every time I have to train someone new who is usually computer illiterate, I am mean and train them with the keyboard. Once they understand MY way of doing things, I will show them how to work with the mouse.
I actually trained my kids to operate almost every aspect of windows without the mouse, too. Now they are running leaps and bounds around their classmates in the computer classes.
Anyhow,
Thanks. I knew it was F4, I just brain-farted.
LaurieAnne
http://www.authorsinkbooks.com |
Todd Hunter
Unity Member
Post Number:
1012
Registered: 02-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 03:44 pm: | |
I love keyboard commands, because I already have my hands on the keyboard...takes too dang long to move my hand over to the mouse...at least on typing apps...at work on CATIA, I use a mouse in my left hand and a space-ball type device (Magellan) in the right...freaks people out...hee hee hee...
I run Win98 and Office 2000, so haven't had the experience of losing commands with XP. Yet another reason to put off a purchase... ;-)
(Lest we forget, tabbing through menu selections...and the other beauty (at least in Win98), Alt-Tab to cycle through all your open windows...mmmmmm...) |
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