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pacwriter
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
942
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 07:03 pm: |   |
I got my 30 copies today from WINGS so HOUSE OF SNAKES is now official - RELEASED!!!!!!
Order your copy today  AT WINGS-PRESS.com
By the way - excellent cover - no mistakes - and affordable price sure beats the heck out of the PA experience
http://www.pacwriter.netfirms.com/ |
Todd Hunter
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
774
Registered: 02-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 05:45 am: | |
Just for curiosity's sake...I assume you had to purchase those 30 copies, and they weren't just author's copies (if so, I say congrats)...what sort of discount do you receive for 30 copies through Wings?
Be careful about "no mistakes"...there's always going to be that one floating around that NO ONE saw, and then people will point their fingers and say "See, see..." |
pacwriter
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
943
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 07:48 am: | |
nope did not have to purchase any books
two author's copies provided and pdf's to send to reviewers
http://www.pacwriter.netfirms.com/ |
D. Hardwick (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted From: 205.185.123.48
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 09:34 am: | |
Hello!!!! Pac, if two author copies where provided who paid for the other 28 you received? Like Todd, I've never read an error free book. |
D. Hardwick (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 205.185.123.48
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 09:37 am: | |
OK, I re-read your post. Pac received two paper author copies and 28 PDF files of the book to email to reviewers. You're a shrewd negotiater Pac. You got the best of them. |
pacwriter
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
944
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 09:47 am: | |
I purchased 30 copies for gifts to friends
I was under NO OBLIGATION TO PURCHASE A SINGLE COPY!!
Wings provides two as author copies
Wings provides pdf files for reviewers
If PA were selling the book it would be priced at $15.95 and I would get 8%
Wings price is per copy is $9.50 and I get 30%
I do not want to debate with PA defenders - you are happy with Pa, I am happy with Wings
Having been published by both publishers, my preference is Wings
http://www.pacwriter.netfirms.com/ |
D. Hardwick (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 205.185.123.48
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 10:07 am: | |
When you first posted, Pac. You implied that you got 30 copies, which, I, and others assumed were author copies. When Todd replied to your post you stated you didn't buy anything. Now in your last post you state that you purchased 30 copies for friends. (?).
When has PA obligated any author to purchase their own books, as you implied in your last post?
You get 30 percent, but 30 percent of what? How many people do you think are going to navigate Wings' website and purchase your book? Isn't that the only place someone can purchase it? You would have possibly had at least 15 or 20 sales from family and friends but you're giving them freebies. Are you counting on them to spread the word about this great book about snakes?
Price is overrated. When PA dropped the price of some books in half, sales hardly doubled and most stayed pretty much the same with authors selling one or two books every other month. |
Sheila Schmidt
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
331
Registered: 05-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 10:09 am: | |
Congratulations Pac!!
Best of luck!
Sheila |
pacwriter
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
945
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 10:22 am: | |
thanks Shelia
Best of success to you
http://www.pacwriter.netfirms.com/ |
Laurel Johnson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2337
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 11:19 am: | |
Terrific cover and a very well written tale, PAC. If there were errors in the printed pdf you sent for review, I did not notice them.
Of course, I never read for anything but story content. I recently read a huge international best seller - not for review. It was laced with typos and errors, released by one of the top five american publishers.
Everything is relative. |
Todd Hunter
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
778
Registered: 02-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 06:13 pm: | |
Sorry, Pac...didn't mean to bring folks out of the woodwork...
I, however, am feeling particularly frisky, given my recent experiences, and will debate anyone who wishes to (through private e-mail)...I'm especially entertained with pricing (I believe someone once commented I was "fascinated" with it)...so should be an interesting debate...
I read for story content as well...I notice all errors, but as long as it doesn't make me stop and re-read the story to understand what was going on, it doesn't concern me...Laurel is right, everything is relative... |
D. Hardwick (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 205.185.128.128
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 06:33 pm: | |
Cut the BS Todd if you really want to help Pac buy one of his snake books. |
John Laurence Robinson
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
452
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 06:38 pm: | |
Hey CE, I thought the board was going to be troll-free? ***sigh*** I think I've read this fellow's posts before. Oh well, I reckon I'll just scan past. Ya'll play nice, now.
John |
Todd Hunter
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
779
Registered: 02-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 06:57 pm: | |
BS?
You must be confusing me with folks named Infocenter...hahaha...
I told you, e-mail me for a debate...no strings, no messy cleanup...
and I never lie, cheat, or steal...
Though I offer steals...$10 a copy for my wonderful novella...
can't beat that price with a stick ($7 off cover price, folks)...
already had one order this week, and once the word spreads,
it's onwards and upwards...at least until my last order from PA runs out...
too bad they shot themselves in the foot on that one...
Hardwick, look forward to your e-mail... |
D. Hardwick (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 205.185.128.128
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 07:18 pm: | |
John Laurence Robinson I have just as much right as you to post on this forum. Why would you try to censor me or anybody? Maybe you're living in the wrong country if that's how you feel.
I'll catch you on the rebound Todd.
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Todd Hunter
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
780
Registered: 02-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 07:34 pm: | |
Not to worry, John...all my playing will be off-board...
it's been very pleasant these past few weeks/months... |
Steven Shrewsbury
Wandering Member
Post Number:
275
Registered: 04-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 07:53 pm: | |
Hey, everyone is welcome to post here.
Todd, aren't you takin' a bath on those books at such a low rate? I assume you buy them yourself, but re-sell at 10 bucks? Dang...the price is the amjor issue that most common folks bring up to me. I have cut mroe than a few deals, and though I lose in cash some, I make up for it in word of mouth.
FOr example, 2 gals at work bought discounted copies of NOCTURNAL VACATIONS from me (that I bought myself from PA) but their enthusiasm for it caused a couple fellas to order it on AMAZON. Does it even out? Probably not really financially, but more folks have the book.
Pac, best of luck, man. I have never read your work. Your persistence is good, at any rate.
What is HOUSE OF SNAKES about? |
Gloria Marlow
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
441
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 08:45 pm: | |
Pac,
I know you've probably told us before, but what age group is House of Snakes aimed at? I have a 9 year old son and a 15 year old, both of whom are behind on their required reading for school which one of them would it be best for?
Gloria
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John Laurence Robinson
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
453
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 08:55 pm: | |
Hardwick, you're right. Pac and Todd are nice guys, but I also suppose they're old enough to fight their own battles; God knows I am. So we'll leave it at this: you spew and we'll ignore. Ain't freedom grand? |
pacwriter
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
948
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 09:18 pm: | |
Grand it is John -- a message is just there hanging in cyber space
Gloria, I keep it simple so I would say both your children will enjoy the story. Fliesh-Kinard reading scale is 4.0
http://www.pacwriter.netfirms.com/ |
Todd Hunter
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
783
Registered: 02-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 06:12 am: | |
Everyone is welcome to post here...some just have to register first...
Everyone is also welcome to ignore anyone they wish...many people ignore me in life... ;-)
Freedom is grand...
Steve, I'm still eeking out a small profit selling at $10. I never sell for a loss if I can help it...the trick is, I need to get books in the hands of customers. That ain't happening with any frequency at $16.95...because the book is only 109 pages (which is especially amusing, because a book at 108 pages runs for only $12.95 in PA's own store last I looked...hmmmm).
Getting books into people's hands, and improving the odds that the customer is going to be satisfied with their purchase (ensuring return business). That's what I'm all about...
www.geocities.com/toddmhunter |
C. E. Winterland
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
1180
Registered: 06-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 04:43 pm: | |
Hmmm.. I seem to have missed this thread for the last 2 days...
Not that Hardwick has really done anything wrong... it just seems to have a bad attitude for some reason.
What's with that, Hardwick?
CEW |
Steven Shrewsbury
Wandering Member
Post Number:
289
Registered: 04-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 05:57 am: | |
Nice work on SNAKES Pac |
pacwriter
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
990
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 06:32 am: | |
thanks Steven
it was a fun write (just the editing was work)
http://www.pacwriter.netfirms.com/ |
Mark A. York (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 65.148.108.49
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 11:13 am: | |
You need to get the book into the hands of a real publisher otherwise don't expect much, if anything. |
pacwriter
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
991
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 11:32 am: | |
true enough Mark
I have a two year contract with one year remaining. After that, I'll be looking for traditional publisher. Wings has been great to work with and the editors are fantastic. Going through the editing process with three different books improved my writing more than any "writer courses" I could have taken. I would suggest any writer, no matter the genre, try e-book publishing with a publisher like Wings for a short-term contract. Working with people who care about producing a quality book has been a great experience.
http://www.pacwriter.netfirms.com/ |
Naleighna (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 207.241.31.65
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 12:17 pm: | |
Contratulations Pac. I hope you do the promotions necessary to cause a stir. Traditional publishers seem to snap up novels/books put out by smaller houses that have generated a moderate amount of sales. It'll give you better leverage when your agent negotiates your contract.
Best regards
Naleighna Kai, author of More Than Enough, She Touched My Soul and My Time in the Sun
www.macropublishing.com
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Steven Shrewsbury
Wandering Member
Post Number:
291
Registered: 04-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 04:01 pm: | |
Yeah, the editing is the worst part usually. ;) |
pacwriter
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
994
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 05:40 pm: | |
Thank you Naleighna.
Good luck with your book.
http://www.pacwriter.netfirms.com/ |
Todd Hunter
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
812
Registered: 02-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 05:56 pm: | |
Editing is definitely on the pro side of the sheet when it comes to Wings...short contract, too...but that's only from what I've heard, not personal experience...
Naleighna, you seem to be in the know...what kinds of numbers do you feel are "moderate" as far as sales go?
1,000?
5,000?
10,000?
More? |
Steven Shrewsbury
Wandering Member
Post Number:
293
Registered: 04-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 - 03:23 pm: | |
Editing is a beast I'd rather not fight.sigh |
sophie simonet
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
687
Registered: 03-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2003 - 10:37 am: | |
I love the editing part. I really do! It's like cleaning out closets of junk.
authorsden.com/sophiesimonet |
sophie simonet
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
688
Registered: 03-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2003 - 10:39 am: | |
Forgot the www thing. Here we go...
www.authorsden.com/sophiesimonet |
Steven Shrewsbury
Wandering Member
Post Number:
298
Registered: 04-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2003 - 06:29 pm: | |
eh, some cool things appear in edits, but getting everything perfect bites, pardon me, but that is just my thoughts. |
Tester (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 204.246.5.17
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 01:59 am: | |
Hey Todd,
In response to your question I recently heard that an initial run with a "major" publisher is 5000 copies. If an author can't sell through their initial run then they genuinely don't get a second shot with that publisher.
So, the theory then is if you can sell more than 5k on your own, (or with limited help), then you might be displaying some talent that will get someone's attention.
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Steven Shrewsbury
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
337
Registered: 04-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 05:33 am: | |
I've always wondered about that.
Heck, if a pub distributes 5 copies to every WAL MART in America that is 5000 copies.
hmmm
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Todd Hunter
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
868
Registered: 02-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 05:52 am: | |
Good info to know...thanks, Tester...
I guess I'd better get cracking on the second book so I can sell those 5000 copies... ;-) |
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