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Laurel Johnson
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Post Number: 3295
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Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 04:03 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

This is just a general announcement that my AuthorsDen site won't be around much longer.

I got an email from AD today saying if I did not renew my dues it would lapse and my site would disappear. I can no longer see well enough to maintain my AD site so decided to let it crash and burn.

I know some people check it for new poems and such, so thought I should let everyone know.
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Joyce Scarbrough
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Post Number: 254
Registered: 03-2004


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Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 06:28 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Laurel, I'd be happy to maintain your site for you if you want to keep it. It would be no trouble at all for me to do it along with mine.

Toyce
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Read the first chapter at http://www.authorsden.com/joycelscarbrough1
See the hunk at http://www.southernbelleauthor.com/joycepersonalpage
Read my interview at http://www.yabookscentral.com/cfusion/index.cfm?fuseAction=authors.interview&interview_id=44
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Todd Hunter
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Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 07:20 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I dumped my AD site long ago...
I mean, to promise something for free, and then later turn around and ask for money..........

Oh, wait......
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Laurel Johnson
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Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 07:29 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thank you, Joyce. That is so sweet of you. I just feel like it is an expense I don't need right now, as I had a gold membership. Granted, it is not all that costly but just something I don' feel I should do any longer.

If I change my mind, I will let you know, Joyce. Tanks for being so kind. And yes Todd, I have the same feeling. They drew us all in to a free site then started charging. There is something not too kosher about that.
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Joyce Scarbrough
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Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 10:13 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I guess the reason I don't resent their membership fee is that I had to pay from the get-go.

The offer will be good indefinitely, Laurel. Just let me know if you change your mind.

Toyce
True Blue Forever

Read the first chapter at http://www.authorsden.com/joycelscarbrough1
See the hunk at http://www.southernbelleauthor.com/joycepersonalpage
Read my interview at http://www.yabookscentral.com/cfusion/index.cfm?fuseAction=authors.interview&interview_id=44
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C. E. Winterland
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Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 07:32 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

When I signed with AD, they offered me a FREE LIFETIME SITE.

They have reneged on their part of the bargain, I tried to delete my site there today, but you can't.

I'll just have to wait for them to kill it.

CEW
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Bill Nelson
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Post Number: 408
Registered: 10-2002

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Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 07:50 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I've always thought the value of being on AD was highly over rated.
No one will find you by "accident" in that menagerie of names and buy your book.
And, no, I don't buy the "exposure" story. I think it's an ego thing for newly published people, an sense of "belonging", nothing more.

bn
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Laurel Johnson
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Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 09:01 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I agree, Bill. And ditto what CE said. They reneged on the agreement. I wish them well. They fill a niche maybe, but not well enough for me to part with any more money. I did get a lot of hits on AD, but it was mostly out of curiosity.

I need a real website, and even that probably won't help me much. I will just continue to languish in obscurity for awhile.
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Laurel Johnson
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Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 05:11 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

We discuss frequently on the various parts of this forum the importance of keeping correspondence. I keep emails from publishers relaying verbal agreements and have files full of such correspondence. But none involving AD.

Today I received an email suggesting that I prove my statements made above - that when I first obtained a website on Ad it was free and later it was changed to a fee charging site. I can't prove anything of course. I did not save the emails received from Ad over the years.

I apologized to the person emaiing from AD if what I said insulted him or hurt his feelings. As the person pointed out, since I had no contract with them then reneging on a deal is not accurate.

I'm no legal whiz and tend to take everything at face value. This is not a complaint or an apology, just further information added to what I wrote above. AD says I had no signed contract so my term "reneged" was not accurate.
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C. E. Winterland
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Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 05:22 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I too received that e-mail from Matthew (who just registered at this site, by the way - Welcome Matthew!).

Unfortunately, my e-mail archives stretched back only to mid 2001, and my initial registration confirmation and correspondence with AD was gone.

I think AuthorsDen is a great site and wish them all of the success they deserve. It was not my intent either to disparage AD at all, just to state that when I signed up, the site was free and was offered as such (to my recollection) for so long as I wanted to keep it open. Over the years that has changed as AD has grown (and they have grown well and continue to provide excellent resources), but I somehow can't get over that niggling feeling that the site was offered free pretty much forever (I remember thinking that it was a FANTASTIC deal because of that, which is why it sticks in my mind).

My apologies to Matthew Miller and AuthorDen, and my best wishes to them and continued success with a good site.

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Fred Dungan
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Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 05:38 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

On, fiddlesticks! If you two can't dis AD, then I will. They reneged on their end of the deal. Although I have no documentation that such was the case, I will not withdraw the accusation. Sue me.

What a shame. AD filled a real need. Too bad it didn't pan out.

http://www.fdungan.com/vigilantes.htm
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Todd Hunter
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Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 05:48 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

AD seems to be pulling a familiar action, in my opinion...
"Didn't you read the contract?" vs. "do you have a written contract?"

Personally, I don't much care one way or another whether they're free or pay, because I didn't like the 'cookie-cutter' method they used for site creation/modification...but the idea that a person can't make the (truthful) claim that the site was originally offered for free, and then they turned around and told everyone they would have to start paying, simply because they don't have "written proof" (from years ago), is absurd...

Perhaps AD users better start saving all correspondence, too...

Sheesh!
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Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
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Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 06:46 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

When I signed into AD, it was a free site and supposed to stay that way forever... No, I don't have any contract from them. but when they started with their pay site restrictions, I finally paid the lifetime membership that was offered and that would grandfather me in to them forever. Now they keep hitting me for more upgrades, and I am going to just stay with what I have. But it was free for well over two years that I was registered there. i understand that they have to do something to make money but when a person only wants wht they have and is reluctant to dig deeper into their wallet, they should let them keep that and not pursue them for anything else. I was basically happy with the first level of site that I had, because I really haven't gotten that much activity from that site at all.

Claudia
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Stacy Anderson
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Post Number: 60
Registered: 04-2004

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Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 10:56 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Just wondering if AD ever helped any of you guys sell books or get promotion other than on their site?
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Frederick A. Babb
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Posted on Friday, September 03, 2004 - 12:40 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

When I first went to AD, I liked what I saw. But when they started asking for money for a "free service" I dropped them like a hot potato. With so many real "free sites" out there today, it doesn't make sense as to what AD does.
Preview books: http://www.frederickbabb.bravehost.com
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Laurel Johnson
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Posted on Friday, September 03, 2004 - 05:50 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I did receive exposure from AD, Stacy. Mostly for my posted poetry and for my position as a reviewer with Midwest Book Review. That is, people would want books reviewed and would inquire if I had a book of poetry in the works. Any books sold as a result of my AD site were ordered from amazon though.

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