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F.E. Mazur
Awareness Member
Post Number:
30
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 08:05 am: |   |
Something on the tube last night reminded me of a question I've not heard for a very long time, concerning books and movies: What is the book's/movie's redeeming social value?
Do your works of art hold redeeming social value? Is it something you even concern yourself with? |
Snarzler
Wandering Member
Post Number:
120
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 08:53 am: | |
Hm? Sorry, The Simple Life and The Surreal Life were on.
Internal Memo: "You'd better learn proper grammar. You'll need it when you apply for parole." |
Pacwriter
Unity Member
Post Number:
1863
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 02:19 pm: | |
My pitiful attempts at producing stories have as the base to entertain. Moving society forward on the evolutionary path of civilization is not a consideration. However, in writing Christian fiction, my hope is to inspire believers and present non-believers an opportunity to become a believer.
http://www.pacwriter.netfirms.com/ |
Todd Hunter
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
2286
Registered: 02-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 03:51 pm: | |
Sometimes yes, sometimes no...
Hero was intended as a political allegory in parts...whether that came across to anyone who read it, doubtful...
The next book in that line, Friends in Deed, will hopefully discuss the social aspects of the friends we make...
My mystery novel (and the ones following) will most likely be just a story to tell...
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Check out Who Needs a Hero?
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F.E. Mazur
Awareness Member
Post Number:
31
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 04:21 pm: | |
I deliberately didn't say much about 'redeeming social value' in the opening post because I was curious whether others had a familiarity with the phrase. Its use long ago only came up when a book or movie didn't seem to have any. In other words, it was never a barometer for establishing how much redeeming social value a book or movie might have, but did it have any at all. Thus, mysteries, horror, these and others could be often said to have "some" redeeming social value, although you can probably see how many horror stories, created by terrible writers, might not have any. What brought this to mind was that a segment of 60 Minutes was about the video game, "Grand Car Theft." In the game you are a criminal. If you want a car, you steal it. If a woman gets in your way, you push her to the ground and kick and brutally stomp her. If a cop gets in your way, you virtually blow out his brains. Watching this, I turned to my wife and said, "Remember when people talked about whether a work of art had any redeeming social value. You never seem to hear that phrase applied anymore." |
Todd Hunter
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Post Number:
2288
Registered: 02-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 04:34 pm: | |
I believe you're probably referring to Grand Theft Auto...
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Joyce Scarbrough
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
573
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 05:51 am: | |
Here's something I displayed at book signings to attract teachers:
Reasons True Blue Forever makes a great novel study . . .
**Contemporary issues that interest students
*sex
*personal ethics
*drug and alcohol use
*physical abuse
*pregnancy
*suicide
*responsibility
**Entertaining story that engages even reluctant readers
**Realistic, varied characters that readers both identify with and admire
**Multiple literary devices to be identified and examined
*simile
*metaphor
*foreshadowing
*imagery
*onomatopoeia
*symbolism
**Promotes abstinence from a non-religious standpoint
**Provides ideal impetus for candid discussions
**Opportunities for writing assignments students will actually enjoy
**Offers cross-curricular activities
Toyce
True Blue Forever
Read the first chapter at http://www.authorsden.com/joycelscarbrough1
Read two chapters of Different Roads at http://www.authorsden.com/visit/mtr.asp?id=7737&loc=ShortStory
Pour yourself a glass of bubbly and check out Champagne Books http://www.champagnebooks.com
Our children have only one childhood, so do whatever it takes to make it happy! |
F.E. Mazur
Awareness Member
Post Number:
32
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 08:24 am: | |
Very smart, Joyce. |
Laurel Johnson
Unity Member
Post Number:
3762
Registered: 01-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 08:31 am: | |
I've never considered whether any of my books have redeeming social value. I did not include study guides with mine -- although that would have been an interesting exercise for me to contemplate.
My mind does not work along such lines. I tell a story, then I stop.
Fascinating thread, Frank.
Laurel Johnson
Author: The Grass Dance
The Alley of Wishes
Color of Laughter, Color of Tears
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Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
1069
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 08:36 am: | |
I can't think of anything I could say that would truly have social value.
My only intent is to entertain for a short period of time, tell a tale and leave.
I also think there are too many people you THINK they have something to say who are merely spouting personal opinions and deluding themselves into thinking those opinions have major social value (any more than the next guys).
Bill Nelson
RISEN, ISBN 1-93301616-4
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Sheila Schmidt
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
628
Registered: 05-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 10:06 am: | |
"If I can't be a good example, then I'll just have to be a horrible warning". I've always liked that saying...
There is more than one way to accomplish the feat of producing something of redeeming social value.
Sheila
p.s. I've also always liked the saying 'a rattlesnake loose in the living room tends to end all discussion on animal rights'... |
Gloria Marlow
Unity Member
Post Number:
1407
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 11:55 am: | |
'a rattlesnake loose in the living room tends to end all discussion on animal rights'
Sheila, now, see, that should go in that discussion you all have been having about "truth". That's the truest thing I've heard in ages.
The Butterfly Game
Flowers for Megan
Shades of Silence (coming soon)
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Fred Dungan
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
912
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 01:16 pm: | |
I remember Hud, an early Paul Newman movie, being described by a critic as having "no redeeming social value." Needless to say, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
http://www.fdungan.com/vigilantes.htm |
Dennis Collins
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
1482
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 02:14 pm: | |
I always thought that the "Redeeming Value," thing was how they determined if a film was porn. If there was any message in it at all, A guy paying for a pack of gum instead of stealing it, the lawyers would argue that the film advocates honesty.
As for my work, it's intended to entertain. I try to do it without too much gore, profanity, or gratuitous sex. If it carries any social message at all, it's that good triumphs over evil. |
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