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Pacwriter
Unity Member
Post Number:
2226
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 12:51 pm: |   |
I've been reading the life story of L. Ron Hubbard. If ever there was a "Walter Mitty" good ol Ron fits the bill. He could have been John Wayne or Ernest Hemingway according to what he said about his life. When reading "facts" from other sources such as the U.S. Navy, it is clear Ron did a little more than exaggerate. No wonder he was a great SF writer.
So what do you think - does a great liar make a great writer?
http://www.perrycomer.com
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Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
1686
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 01:57 pm: | |
Not necessarily, but a vivid imagination is essential to be a fiction writer. I guess this is a form of lying.
Bill Nelson
RISEN, ISBN 1-93301616-4
Behler Publications
Hiding Places, Den of Deception |
Stephen Lodge
Hunger Member
Post Number:
61
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 05:52 pm: | |
Mister Hubbard had another agenda besides his writing - Scientology
Novels by Stephen Lodge:
"Shadows of Eagles"
"Charley Sunday's Texas Outfit!"
"Nickel-Plated Dream"
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Sean D. Schaffer
Awareness Member
Post Number:
13
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 05:34 pm: | |
"Not necessarily, but a vivid imagination is essential to be a fiction writer. I guess this is a form of lying."
Agreed, to a point. I like to think that when I write something out, I'm telling the public something I believe in. I might not believe that the fantasy world I'm creating is real, but rather I would believe the principles behind what I am writing....and hopefully I would endeavor to practice them. |
Fred Dungan
Unity Member
Post Number:
1411
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 11:08 pm: | |
I prefer to call it embellishing. However, it is important that we don't mislead our readers. The truth will out. When we aren't the ones who tell it, it diminishes us as writers.
http://www.dunganbooks.com |
Ana Isabel Hibert
Awareness Member
Post Number:
1
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 08:41 pm: | |
"Agreed, to a point. I like to think that when I write something out, I'm telling the public something I believe in. I might not believe that the fantasy world I'm creating is real, but rather I would believe the principles behind what I am writing....and hopefully I would endeavor to practice them."
Yes, but sometimes liers get to believe their own lies. I agree that fiction writers are liars, they tell their own lies about the things that are true to them, and that's where their stories come true. Non-fiction writers, on the other hand, must never fall on lies, lest they mislead their readers. |
Todd Hunter
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
3063
Registered: 02-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 09:26 pm: | |
Welcome, Ana...
Mindsight Moderator
Check out the musings over at Aston's new blog
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Sean D. Schaffer
Awareness Member
Post Number:
21
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 09:33 pm: | |
"Non-fiction writers, on the other hand, must never fall on lies, lest they mislead their readers."
Especially if they're writing a memoir
The thing is, for fiction to be a lie, it has to be presented as fact. If you present it as fiction, how can it be a lie? It is, rather, a story--like a parable or a fable. It's not meant to be literally true, and for that reason it should not be considered a lie.
If the writer is presenting fiction as a memoir, for example, then it's a lie. But if he presents it as a fictitious work, then in my opinion, it isn't a lie. |
Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
2483
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 10:41 pm: | |
or if he/she couches it as feelings, impressions, thoughts on or about something, as I did in my book about my giving up of my children. I told it from my perspective, and my thoughts about how others were affected by my actions and reactions and about what I supposed were the motives and meanings behind the scenes that at the time, I could not fathom or understand.
This topic is sort of a personal thing with me, as I was accused of lying by my daughter about things in my book, but I simply told the truth as I saw/felt/lived and looked back on it. Unfortunately, it didn't agree with her truth from her eyes and mindset. Every bit of it was truth to me. And I would say rightly that the book is classified as a memoir, or non-fiction.
Claudia
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Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
1715
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 11:37 am: | |
First,
Welcome aboard, Ana I.Nice to meet you!
Sean, I try to write solely for entertainment value. I have no great message to impart to the world. A story I complete is a total lie, as told. There may be elements of truth in it to lend credibility, but lies, lies, all lies! I made the whole thing up! That's show biz....
If your intent is to pass some message to the world, that's a different thing, I guess. I have no idea.
I do agree that non-fiction has zero room for error. All truth.
PAC asked if a great liar makes a great writer. The Bill Clinton (thinly disguised dig at the left) answer, maybe yes, maybe no, but I did not have sex with that woman. I was just standing there smoking. Will he be a good writer? |
Sean D. Schaffer
Awareness Member
Post Number:
29
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 02:15 pm: | |
"Sean, I try to write solely for entertainment value. I have no great message to impart to the world. A story I complete is a total lie, as told. There may be elements of truth in it to lend credibility, but lies, lies, all lies! I made the whole thing up! That's show biz...."
First, to Ana, welcome to Mindsight. I hope you enjoy the forums!
Bill,
Believe it or not, I don't necessarily have a great message to impart to the world, either. My intent mainly is just to write a good story.
However, if a message comes to my mind while I'm writing the story, then cool. I'll put it in.
I write fiction, but I don't consider it a lie for the reasons I pointed out in my previous posts. I believe if it's presented as fictitious, then I'm not lying. To lie, in my opinion, would require me to say, "This story is true." I don't find a place where, say, God, said that telling a story for entertainment value is a lie....unless it's presented as though it were fact. |
Ana Isabel Hibert
Awareness Member
Post Number:
2
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 09:41 pm: | |
Thanks guys
Of course, it all depends on your definition of a lie. Mine is: telling something that isn't true. Even if you're marketing it as fiction, it's like marketing it as lie
Am I explaining myself or am I talking gibberish?
Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder |
Sean D. Schaffer
Awareness Member
Post Number:
34
Registered: 10-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 12:38 am: | |
I think you've explained yourself quite well, Ana. What you say makes sense.
I looked up 'lie' in my dictionary, because I wanted to see exactly what the word means.
First, I had to find the right version of the word, as there were four different entries (each with their own definitions accompanying them.)
In my dictionary*, it was under the fourth entry. It reads:
Lie n : an untrue statement made with intent to deceive.
So while I understand where you're coming from, I believe that for it to be a lie, it has to be told for the purpose of making people believe it instead of the truth. If fiction is told as fiction, then IMO it's not a lie because of how it's presented.
*The Merriam-Webster Dictionary, New Edition, Copyright 2004 by Merriam-Webster, Incoporated |
Tom Elkins
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
351
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 07:03 am: | |
We still need to define "definition". And the meaning of "is".
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
www.authorsden.com/tomelkins |
Ana Isabel Hibert
Awareness Member
Post Number:
3
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 07:22 pm: | |
You made me resort to my dictionary!
The definition of lie it has is: "speak deceptively."
So I went to look deceptive. The definition is: "misleading"
Grr, I hate dictionaries. So I went to look misleading. Definition: "to lead astray."
Now, the use of the word 'lead' in the definition implies that the lie, to be a lie, forcefully requieres to 'lead' people somewhere, in which case the lie is needed to be held as truth.
So, I stand corrected. You were right.
Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder |
Sean D. Schaffer
Awareness Member
Post Number:
35
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 10:10 pm: | |
Sorry about the dictionaries, Ana. I hate 'em too, frankly!
I hope you'll forgive me for the resorting to the dictionary; that's one of my old habits that sometimes I think might come across the wrong way. I hope you didn't think I was being a jerk, as I didn't intend it that way.
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Gloria Marlow
Unity Member
Post Number:
1671
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 06:06 am: | |
If we're writing fiction, we're making up people, happenings, etc. How could we be lying or telling the truth?
Gloria
The Butterfly Game
Shades of Silence
Flowers for Megan (Now available)
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Bill Nelson
Unity Member
Post Number:
1746
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 10:27 am: | |
I'll tell you the truth, I always lie to you!
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Fred Dungan
Unity Member
Post Number:
1480
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 08:11 pm: | |
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http://www.fdungan.com/vigilantes.htm
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Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
2558
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 08:33 pm: | |
202.96..... is an AOL IP and I am sure that AOL would love to get their hands on this bastard. Fred, can you report him directly to AOL?
Claudia
MINDSIGHT MODERATOR
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Fred Dungan
Unity Member
Post Number:
1481
Registered: 10-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 08:37 pm: | |
Our spammer's online identity is kiszka-blada. Kiszka means gut in Polish. Kiszka-blada's current victims include the message boards at hollywoodreporter.com, hindunet.com, javaworld.com, and insideout.com. Never fear, the posse is hot on his trail.
http://www.fdungan.com/vigilantes.htm |
Fred Dungan
Unity Member
Post Number:
1482
Registered: 10-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 08:40 pm: | |
My mistake. That was supposed to be insideout.org. |
Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
2560
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 08:46 pm: | |
is he doing the same kind of thing on all the sites, or doing different spam monikers? thanks for finding that out Fred. I appreciate. I wonder what type of software/hardwar he is using that he can go around a blocker and spam so much, in such a short time. And I wonder what his point is.... he has completely turned off a lot of people to his site that he is trying so hard to promote...
Claudia
MINDSIGHT MODERATOR
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Fred Dungan
Unity Member
Post Number:
1483
Registered: 10-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 09:24 pm: | |
Kiszka-blada made the mistake of spamming the forum at deadharddrive.com. What a rank amateur! The most likely reason you can't access his site is that they have already put him out of business.
http://www.fdungan.com/vigilantes.htm |
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