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Bill Nelson
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Often times, words are thrown about helter-skelter and can lose a little in the doing. Specifically, what is Christian Fiction?
Who knows? |
Bill Nelson
Unity Member
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 04:01 pm: | |
Does no one know or just won't say?
I would like to hear some definitions....
OR, I can answer my own question!
Christian fiction features stories that reflect the Christian world view. The relationship between the protagonist and God plays a pivotal role. Christian fiction encompasses all genres appearing in romance, suspense, futuristic, and historical stories.
Does anyone, everyone, or no one agree with that?
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Gloria Marlow
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1680
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 04:36 pm: | |
I think you're about right with your definition, although I think "reflect the Christian world view" should probably be changed to "have/teach a Christian message."
I don't usually read "Christian fiction"...because all of it I have ever attempted to read was just plain boring. Whether that is because it was "Christian" or because it was just boring stuff, I can't say.
Most of us here are Christians and many of our stories have the protaginist's beliefs and relationship with God right out there in the open, but it still isn't considered "Christian fiction". I do think the market is opening up a little to stories that don't have as many "sermons" in them.
Gloria Davidson Marlow
**The Butterfly Game***Shades of Silence***Flowers for Megan**
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Pacwriter
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2248
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 05:40 pm: | |
Considering John's "Until the last Dog Dies" and the stuff I write, I would say Christian fiction is evolving - in that - the guiding principle of the main character is faith. Janet Oakes is great but as Gloria said, boring. the writing is so bland, and it had to be to get past those editors with HIGH morals because up until the last few years most Christian publishers were branches of Denominational literature services.
With the advent of "Christian publishers" not connected to denominations, the range and writing "Christian fiction" is expanding. Believe it or not, "the Green Mile" in my estimation is as good a Christian Fiction novel as there is. the spiritual, Heaven message is very strong even if King was dealing more with the supernatural themes.
To me, Christian Fiction, sheds light on life in this world from the perspective of characters living by faith.
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Bill Nelson
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1756
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 05:41 pm: | |
Thank you, Gloria,
The sermon aspect is what I'm asking about. Must it have a sermon to qualify as Christian fiction? How many times can a protag. "see the light" and be saved. I don't read Christian fiction either for the reasons you mention. Why can't it be more every day, true-to-life, with a tinge of Christian attitude in it?
Could there be more than one kind of Christian fiction? I don't mean genre.
Like:
A) Fiction in all genres that do have a "sermon".(maybe HEAVY Christian)
B) Fiction in all genres with less (or no) sermon, but good, clean story line.(Lite Christian)
Yes, No????? |
Bill Nelson
Unity Member
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1757
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 05:48 pm: | |
PAC,
Your's hadn't appeared when I posted the above. I see what you're saying, and that sort of answers my questions. Thank you.
However, when you say "expanding" do you mean in story content or in the range of publishing houses?
Would you consider a story (bloody) about the Crusades to be Christian fiction?
What about the Inquisitions or the Salem Witch trials. They all involved the church. Is that in the realm of Christian fiction? |
Tom Elkins
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356
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 05:53 pm: | |
I always figgered that Christian fiction was where the characters were all virgins and never cussed. I had a correspondence with a woman recently who wanted to meet me for "coffee". I warned her that I smoked, drank, cussed and chased women. She replied she couldn't abide the cussing because she was a Christian.
Tom Elkins
NORTH of TEXAS
www.authorsden.com/tomelkins |
Pacwriter
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2249
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 06:08 pm: | |
Tom - well darn, sounds like you missed out on a good'n - repent of the cussing 
Expanding - by that I meant more real life stories and not the run of the mill Christian romance - boy sees the light and gets saved etc.
There are some writers getting published doing Christian sf, others exploring the darker sides of life with occult themes. then others are doing serious mystery and more branching out into thrillers
Historical fiction with Crusades and the spanish inqusition are being done with strong Christian central characters. Just setting it in one of those periods does not pass for Christian lit, the characters have to have an ACTIVE faith.
I re-wrote THE PRIZE, wich is set in the American revolution, and the central character is a Christian still learning what it means to believe and sees God's providence as a means of his survival and successes. So it is not a conversion story but a story of a man interacting with faith.
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John Laurence Robinson
Wisdom Member
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853
Registered: 01-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 07:00 pm: | |
On the same note, I see a LOT of Christian content in some of Dean Koontz' later stuff, starting with "Hideaway", "The Face", "The Taking", and so on. Koontz even writes a bit on this in his new afterward to "Hideaway."
On the 16th (Thursday), I myself will find out if my Joe Box series is dead. If it is, I'll simply go the Koontz route (and please God, with his success! *G*) and come in the back door in the ABA.
Seriously, for those in here who are leery of reading Christian fiction (and you KNOW who you are!), give the newer stuff a try. Granted, the truffles are hard to find down in the nasty old humus, but the ones that are, are good eatin'!
John |
Dennis Collins
Mindsight Moderator
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1738
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 08:33 am: | |
Hmmm... Wonder if I could sneak in under the wire with my latest novel???
In "For Thine is the Power" I have a poignant scene where a Mafia Don and his hitman discuss their belief in God and the possible consequences of their earthly activities. They ultimately decide that they simply won't think about it and trust God's mercy.
Dennis Collins
Moderator
www.theunrealmccoy.com |
Fred Dungan
Unity Member
Post Number:
1435
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 12:57 pm: | |
Dennis,
My first novel, The Gospel According to Condo Don, was a fictional account of the Second Coming. No sex or any of the usual disqualifications. However, most of the characters were homeless street people and one of them used the 4 letter word "piss." My publisher urged me to change it to "urinate" and I paid a heavy price for not following her sage advice. If you want to "sneak in under the wire," you had better not get too deep into street people, hit men, or anything else that might offend the Puritans of the book world.
Jesus was no prude. He saved prostitutes, tax collectors, lepers, and outcasts - people whose very existence was repulsive to the Pharisees who wore religion on their sleeve, when it should have been in their heart.
http://www.fdungan.com/vigilantes.htm |
Joyce Scarbrough
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Dennis Collins
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1739
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 01:13 pm: | |
At this point my definition of "Christian Literature" is anything that they'll allow you to sell in christian bookstores. I know that they sell books that contain murder but if one of your characters says "shit," you're out.
I don't find it exceptionally bothersome because readers who are looking for my kind of books won't be browsing for them in christian bookstores anyway.
But...
I expect many Christians to read and enjoy my books no matter who publishes or who sells them. They are not particularly offensive although there is a measure of violence in them. They aren't cozies but I refrain from describing what might be running down the wall behind someone who was just blasted in the face with a shotgun.
My kind of writing will keep me off of Christian presses but I don't expect it to keep me out of Christian homes. I don't write Erotica and I don't write Blasphemy. I don't even write things as terrible as the real life events that sometimes show up in newspapers,
or... The six o'clock news.
Dennis Collins
Moderator
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Todd Hunter
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3081
Registered: 02-2003
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I had a short story once which had an alien life form on a quest from God (yes, the same One)...somehow, I just don't think Christian Science Fiction is quite mature enough for prime-time.
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David R. Lusk
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21
Registered: 08-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 06:54 pm: | |
The Bible cusses (piss, damn, hell, dumbass), has graphic sex (coitus interruptus, incest), and horribly graphic violence (being torn apart by dogs???). I fail to see why Christian fiction cannot have the same things.
David R. Lusk, BComm, JD |
Frederick A. Babb
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Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 04:40 am: | |
When all else fails, Google to the rescue....
Christian fiction celebrates God's presence in our life. It can be narrow and didactic or broad and literal. Character's relationship to God is the primary focus. Another definition is that these stories are about "the journey of the soul." Readers seek "wholesome, yet compelling" reading. There is considerable interest in characters "who are like the reader" in some important way.
Although the label "Christian fiction" is used here to reflect the fact that God plays a significant role in the plot and the outcome. Christian novels focus on ordinary people who are challenged to live their lives in accordance with Christian principles.
Inspirational fiction is similar, but would include characters and themes that reflect other religious faiths. This broader view of the genre is increasingly important in communities where there is a notable diversity of faiths. Inspirational fiction recently popular will include those of the Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu and Muslim faiths.
A view book stores use visionary fiction and Borders even uses metaphysical fiction. Neither of these labels are likely to be helpful for the average book buyer or reader. Clearly, the scope and attributes of these works can confuse.
Since the view of Christianity seen in Christian fiction is often from a fundamentalist position, some readers will avoid works that they might otherwise enjoy [without the label].
Since Christian Fiction does not contain profanity, strong violence, addictions, or explicit sexual activity, it can be a genre of gentle reads. The values expressed, putting God first or loving one's neighbor or remaining chaste before marriage, are comfortable ones for many readers, even those who are not especially religious.
While "gentle reads" should probably be a separate category, its characteristics apply to some Christian Fiction, especially earlier ones;
Generally cheerful, positive stories about ordinary people in ordinary situations
May evoke memories or feelings for an earlier "better" time [nostalgic]
Mood is as much an appeal element as plot or characters
Setting is a comfortable one, often in a small town
Pace is somewhat slow and even gentle
Relationships between characters receives considerable attention
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Frederick A. Babb
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 04:41 am: | |
Of course, I always thought Christian Fiction was what the Islamic world thought of Bush's foreign policies...
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John Laurence Robinson
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Registered: 01-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 05:53 am: | |
Wow. In light of the above definitions, my stuff DEFINITELY doesn't qualify...at least under the old rules. Makes it even more of a miracle it was accepted by a CBA house.
John |
Dennis Collins
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Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 10:22 am: | |
Seriously, I always thought that Christian mysteries would be driven by a WWJD attitude in the protaganist and sometimes it would be a real struggle to follow the right path. It's an inner conflict that never goes away in real life and should reflect in fiction as well. If the good guys stay on the righteous track, nothing else should matter. The antagonists can be as evil as your imagination allows and they'll still never measure up to old Lucifer. The use of words like Shit and Damn should not be considered inappropriate when used in the proper context.
Dennis Collins
Moderator
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Sean D. Schaffer
Awareness Member
Post Number:
36
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 12:45 pm: | |
I must say, I'm not all that fond of the 'Christian Fiction' I've read or seen. Part of my problem is much of what I've seen just is not of the same quality as the writing and/or acting I've seen in secular works.
Still, if I were to define Christian Fiction, I would say it would be fiction with a Godly message to it. Sex and violence ought not to be the issue, in my opinion, because these things happen in the real world, whether God approves of it or not. People use foul words all the time in real life; I think that good Christian Fiction should be indicative of real life, while at the same time presenting an overall Godly message. |
Fred Dungan
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 10:18 pm: | |
I think most of us are in agreement about what Christian fiction should and/or should not be. However, the Pharisees are the ones who are in control and they obviously are passing judgment on the basis of something other than literary or religious merit.
Evidently, Scripture fares no better. Only a few of the many translations of the Bible are permitted on the shelves of my local Berean Christian bookstore. It's sad when you can't get the Bible you want at the Christian bookstore and end up having to go somewhere else to purchase it.
http://www.fdungan.com/vigilantes.htm |
Sean D. Schaffer
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 12:49 pm: | |
"I think most of us are in agreement about what Christian fiction should and/or should not be. However, the Pharisees are the ones who are in control and they obviously are passing judgment on the basis of something other than literary or religious merit."
Very true. I've heard preachers get on C.S. Lewis' case in the past, saying that people should burn his books because they have witches and dragons in them. The idea with these people was that merely mentioning these things was the same as glorifying the Devil. Never mind what the stories were about or the messages the stories might try to bring across to the reader. No, they had witches and dragons in them, and therefore they were bad.
I never did understand that mentality. It's like saying the bad publicity of the Ford Pinto was in fact a glorification of that particular automobile. To me, that just does not make sense. |
Pacwriter
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Registered: 04-2002
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Let us remember that Christian fiction as with other literary forms is always changing. there is no definition that will ALWAYS be the right definition.
As to what preachers say, remember a preacher is a man with a world view - his may or may not be one the majority of hearers or readers will accept. Preachers have egos. If one preachers says, "C.S. Lewis is a madman and his works are of the devil" then as with all things consider the source ad the reason the person makes such a statement. Is it to gain attention? get press? shock? You can also ask, "Is this person knowledgeable to trust the statement?" Some preachers, in fact all, if you listen long enough will show their ignorance. Hey, I know, trust me, I'm an expert on preachers. they ain't perfect and sure as heck don't know all there is to know about any subject. My specialty is my ignorance.
As a friend of ours is fond of saying, "I might be fulla crap"
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Benjamin A. J. Bowen Sr.
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My first post. I have a novel right now with PA and don't have the slightest idea what I'm doing. My first try happens to be Christian Science Fiction, but my wife says I should call it Science Fiction Christian. That is because as someone mentioned above, we pit our protagonists aganist the real world, or what we perceive as real. I personally have known a lot of preachers. Some were real believers, but others were just wolves in sheep's clothing. I've tried to keep my novel true to scripture, and yet still have the liberty to do what writers have done for thousands of years, plus expound on the Creator.
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Pacwriter
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Welcome Benjamin
We have quite a few Christian writers and a few sci-fi writers. I have ventured off into sci-fi/Christian short stories.
As to PA - most of us have been there - done that - escaped the contract as soon as possible. Please keep us posted as to your experiences.
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