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Nancy Mehl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 01:52 pm: |   |
Patrick,
As a reviewer for over 2 years, may I say that you have no clue what you're talking about?
My first job as a reviewer was with The Charlotte Austin Review - where I was the assistant editor. We had visitors to that site from over 42 different countries. I received personal e-mails from readers in foreign countries asking my opinion of certain books and writers. I've had more than one publisher - and several writers - tell me that their book sales went up after one of my reviews. I am also quoted on the covers of several books - and a best selling author (according the the New York Post) still contacts me for reviews and interviews.
My new position with MyShelf.com, the site you referred to as "nothing," doesn't have the following yet of TCAR, but it is growing quickly. Yes, people do buy books based on reviews - even on the Internet. To say that Internet review sites aren't worth anything is just ignorant. Anyone should know that the Internet is a huge benefit to all business ventures because of the huge volume of participants - and the ability to reach across the world.
I have decided to "fast" the PA board because I find it a waste of my time. Perhaps there are those who feel supported and encouraged there - I am simply not one of them. For me to continue to read there and allow myself to be irritated or angry by what is said only deters me from what is really important. If you decide to inhabit Mindsight with your rash judgements and egotistical comments, I will avoid this board as well. I would miss it here. The posts are informative and honest. I've gained some good insight - as well as established some relationships that I care about. But, those who wish to contact me have my e-mail address.
C.E., I apologize if this isn't in line with what you would like to see posted here - but I've had enough. I don't care if Patrick is Stephen King himself. Mad manners, in my opinion, show a marked lack of discretion. The true mark of an intellectual is the ability to use their knowledge and capabilities to encourage and inspire others - not to tear them down with lazy and ill-mannered comments that have no thought of consequence.
Frankly, I'm tired of it. There is nothing noteworthy or impressive about a bore.
Nancy |
Patrick
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 03:26 pm: | |
Not to belabor the point, but I believe you were quite apologetic to the PA writer you reviewed. I noted that, in reading your posted reply, you seemed to not have believed in what you'd written about it.
My words about Internet Reviewers stand as my opinion. They were that, an opinion. Mine. I've, frankly, never heard of the "review" sites you mentioned, although, sure, they could be fired-up outfits. My words are never rash. It's all in how you receive them.
The bottom line here about this non-issue is this: No author worth his weight in salt or feathers worries a whit about reviews. Usually because the work draws nothing but praise. It is when a cross word is aimed here and there that the nouveau scribe blushes and then rages.
I'm not much a fan of the Net, simply because it is a quick-access venue where any Tom, Dick and Jane can posture greatness. If you're a verifiably credentialed (are there any? No.) reviewer...then none of this will apply to you, so why fret?
First the new writers adopted the "good-goody-great-great" pose and now it's the Online Reviewers coming in to flash their skills. Sorry, the only ones worthy are those reviewing for the Biggies. A glance at some of the reviews posted for PA authors (by PA authors) cements my point. I cannot imagine anyone blowing-off steam about some guy or gal from Newark or Omaha or Springfield, Ill just because that moron was able to access amazon.com (and others) and begin whipping his keyboard. As I said earlier, even the Big Time reviewers sometimes confess to having made an effort to write something great and failed. But don't take my word for it...check things out independently, Nancy.
FINALE: My feeling is that if a writer (or reviewer) cannot justify or defend his work...then he has failed. Don't get your feathers ruffled over this, but it seemed to me that you were being quite contrite in responding to the PA writer. I cannot for the Life of me remember contrition in any damned reviewer I ever met. I'm not here to educate you, for you have decided to call yourself a professional "book reviewer." As my Daddy like to say about some of the women he befriended: "Hey, who's to quarrel with the little lady's idea of fine fashion?"
Nancy: I'll see you at the PA convention. First drink's on this Ol' Cowboy. |
Patrick
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 03:38 pm: | |
And, one more thing: Your words that bookbuyers consider reviews before purchasing a book is a generalization. I believe that train-of-thought's origin goes too far back to even consider as still being true. There may be some people who dash for the reviews before they drive to the bookstores, but all study data indicates that today's bookbuyers are either swayed by television talk shows or are impulse buyers simply walking the bookstore aisles for something interesting.
I buy about two dozen new books a year and I don't care to know what any reviewer or would-be reviewer has to say. Same for when I go buy my 100% cotton shirts and ostrich boots. I'd rather be surprised by buying a book that looks interesting than rely on some "reviewer" to tell me whether something is good or bad.
I'd say that in that respect I'm no different than the majority.
You know, the last book review I read was about Wolfe's "A Man In Full." The guy knocked it, but I found it to be well-worth the time and money. Reading "book reviews" is like reading your horoscope - nothing to get hung about. And, of course, my feeling also is that you're either an author or a reviewer. In writing, you cannot serve two masters. That's elementary, Nancy.
We've quickly taken opposite corners of the boxing ring here and that was never my intent. I'll leave you to chat with the referee while I make my way to the concession stand.
We should have this chat in person... |
Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 04:49 pm: | |
Patrick,
Just to clear up something for you before it gets into a big melee. Nancy Mehl and NancyMarie are not the same person. Nancy Marie is the person who was offering the apologies on the PA board, not Nancy Mehl. I sometimes have to go back and look twice when I am reading one of the posts that is by either of them, so that I make sure who I am answering to, if I chose to answer. I just wanted to let you know that there is a big difference in the personalities of these two women. I am under the impression that you may not have been aware of that point.
So back to your corners both of you and re-think this news flash before the fight. It's raining here, what is it doing at your homes?? But the snow is on its way as I write this....
Claudia |
Dennis Collins
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 05:23 pm: | |
Something interesting that I've stumbled on..........
I've been doing a little research for one of my projects and I've gotten into the effects of "shunning". It's actually quite devastating to be designated a non-person and totally ignored by your peers and family.
Shunning is one of the most severe forms of punishment known. Depression sets in rapidly when one is shunned. Some even become suicidal.
Apparently shunning is still somewhat commonplace. The Jehovah's Witness religion has been criticized for shunning and the practice is currently being used in Uganda to segregate Ebola victims.
Just another tidbit for those looking to put a new spin on things. |
C. E. Winterland - work
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 05:32 pm: | |
Ok, I'm in a bit of a quandry. Nancy, I really don't want you to stop visiting the board because Patrick is here posting his opinions of things. As I've tried to say lately, the board is really meant to be a kind of free area for folks to speak their minds. I'm sorry that Patrick has upset you with his commentary, and I think it would be terrible to lose you over something like that.
Patrick, I don't really agree with the things you said above, but c'est la vie, non? The one question I had was that I thought you wanted to indulge in discussion on writing - and tried to obligue by opening a dialogue. (I really figure my post probably bored you, and you didn't read it heheh). Did I somehow misunderstand that?
I do think you have toned it down a bit, but your opinion regarding reviewers and reviewing comes off like a public attack of Nancy's chosen post. Do you not see that? You probably don't care, I'm sure, but the environment of this forum does - and if the environment abandons the forum, what is left? I'm not attacking you, I just would like to believe that you understand that your opinion section really can piss people off, and when you piss everyone off and they leave then you've expended all that energy for nothing.
The only resolution I can see is to have a thread for "Patrick's Opinions", kind of like a section in the newspaper, whereby Patrick can say whatever he likes, and everyone can choose not to look if they like... it seems kind of like quarrantine to me in a way though.
I can't believe I'm being forced into such things. Just for the record, I'd really like to visit the forum and post and enjoy it like the rest of you, why must I be forced to regulate you Patrick? Surely you can see that I'm going to look out for the regulars here... Yet I think you have some things to say... can't you say them without stepping on toes? Exercise your skill as a writer, consider it a challenge if you must.
I don't think you intended to bite Nancy, from reading your post - but you are biting in the air, and you caught her in the process.
Now, a couple commentaries of my own... We know that you are not here to "teach" anyone, and I think you have more balls than brains if you are going to presume that you could. Next it is in no way "elementary" that a writer is diametrically opposed to a reviewer - hogwash. I would venture to say that the two compliment each other in some ways. There is a difference between "elementary" (i.e. suggesting a logical conclusion) and your personal opinion. As I mentioned, if you must air your opinions (I picture you standing on a balcony buck naked after a romp) then I will give you a spot to do so. If you would like to join in the discussions here, or at the PA thread, or in any other thread, then do so - if you want to stand outside and waggle yer thang at folks, then a place can be provided so that you are not pissing off the people who like to be here. Don't make me put up a list of rules for people to abide - we never needed them before, and it's easier to block you than make them (I don't really want to do that either.).
I guess what I'm saying in my long winded way is "Participate - or don't".
With all of your opinions posted all over the place about who and what writers are, then you should know that most of us don't appreciate being spoken to in patronizing tones - certainly not from someone who doesn't provide any kind of back-up for what he says, nor 'credentials' of his own, nor even the decency to look around him at what everyone else thinks. Your opinions don't mean much in a vacuum, man.
I think that you could certainly hold interesting discussions with us, if you can keep from spouting your mean-spirited opinions - if those opinions are uncontrollable, like turets or something, then it is no wonder you move from place to place, that would get very boring very fast.
I am at a crossroads here. I like Nancy, and she's been with us for quite some time now. I have a few options to consider, Patrick, if you choose not to lighten up - I'm not saying conform, I'm saying at least be safe to be at large - they lock people up who aren't. You can be a freak all you want, but don't hurt other people doing it. Why I should ever have to say these things to someone who is obviously older than 4 boggles my mind, but there it is.
And finally, Nancy I know there are issues here, and that Patrick has worked kind of hard to piss you off personally. But I did not see all the hostility that you did in his post at first - from your response it was plain though. But if Patrick can keep his attacks under control can you live with his presence? (another question I really didn't think I'd be asking).
Maybe none of you can tell from the forum, but I'm a nice guy in general. I don't want to have to restrict anyone, but Patrick... man... lighten up a bit. What happened to your resolution to get along with folks? Even you have to see that your comment about MyShelf.com is an attack. Why are you attacking?
Now, nice as I am, if I have to play 'father' over this again, I think I will join the ranks of the pissed-off. Don't push it - there's no need and it's just silliness anyhow.
You have now essentially promised us serious dialogue about writing, let's have it.
CEW |
Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 05:42 pm: | |
Dennis,
Shunning is alive and well througout this country in small places and ways as well as big huge cities and ethnic groups. Especially amongst teens. And to a lesser extent with younger children when someone has been perceived to have done something bad or wrong. We, as people, perpetuate shunning when we tell someone to ignore or pretend that the person who offended them doesn't exist. That is a simple breakdown of shunning, and it can and is taken into much larger contexts when it is a whole civilization doing it to just one group or person. And it really feels like hell to that shunned person, for he has no one to even communicate with about the color of the moon. No one is alive to him anymore, at least that is what the person feels like who is shunned. And that is the true aim of the shunners. They want to make that person or group feel as though they don't exist and have no physical body and can't even pull oxygen into their lungs. Sometimes, the shunned person starts to truly believe it. That is when the trouble really starts in the mind of the shunned person.
Peersonally I find it very hard to look right through a person, and steel my mind to them not even being there. That is how a true shunning goes. I can't really get into that type of mindset, I guess..... But I have seen it done, and it is really an experience to behold. The particular case that I witnessed was in an Indian tribe and the person had broken a minor law. He was shunned for a period of a week, and then all was made well after that. He paid his price and he truly was eager to get back into everyone's good graces. If a shunned person knows how long the shunning will last, most times they can get through it better, than if it just starts and will go on indefinetly. Then is when you have a breakdown of the mind.
Claudia |
Nancy M. Segovia
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 06:02 pm: | |
Hello Patrick,
This is Nancy Marie, not to be confused with Nancy Mehl, whom you addressed in your most recent post. It is I, not Nancy Mehl, who was so apologetic for that review of Puddles.
Nancy Mehl, as far as I know, has never apologized for any of her numerous book reviews. I do not plan to discuss the merit or non-merit of internet book reviews and reviewers. I do however wish to clear up the confusion over who's who.
Also, on the PA, on Christmas day, in one of your numerous postings on this subject I agreed completely with your assessment of my "unprofessionalism" as a reviewer. I should have never been apologectic for the review I wrote, and I should have never deigned to defend my position. I was wrong, and I have learned from this disasterous experience. It will not happen again.
I do not like to hurt anyone's feelings, thus the apologectic tone. I also got royally P.O.'d when people started slamming me and my character, thus the defense.
I am new to this "reviewing" business, and I still have a lot to learn, but that particular mistake I will not make again.
So, I hope you are now clear as to who's who, and who did what and when.
smiles and blessings, Nancy Marie |
C. E. Winterland
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 06:44 pm: | |
I think that my cat, Kittius Maximus, feels shunned when I sit here staring at the computer for long periods of time reading posts. When I get to a particularly silly one, he somehow senses it, and digs a claw into my leg - or his favorite is to meow at the back corner wall, up near the ceiling where the three axes meet - shunning me for shunning him... wasn't that an ABBA song?
CEW |
Nancy Mehl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 07:04 pm: | |
Dang it, Patrick. Now you've done it. I find myself almost liking you. But let's not go too far with this thing, okay? However, I'll accept that first drink.
I'm very people oriented. My involvement in the work force is with people (social services) and as well in my spare time. I don't like to see people hurt. Comments designed to accomplish just that anger me. I don't see the point.
However, I am honest. I would never apologize for a review. (Yep, Nanc. Didn't agree with that move but would defend you to the wall for your heart.)
You and I don't agree about reviews. Should they mean anything to a writer? Yes and no. We should never live by them or be defined by them, but we are trying to market our books to the public. Opinion, positive or negative, is important. We need to see what appeals to readers - and try to achieve it. But, we should never lose our ability to take chances or should we quench whatever it is that make us, or our writing, unique.
I know for a fact that some of my reviews have helped writers - either in learning things to help their craft, or in sales. However, just having someone write me to tell me that my review meant a lot to them - means a great deal to me. Even if it just gives them confidence. I don't know everything about writing. If I did, I'd be on the NYT's best sellers list. Obviously, I'm not. Still learning, still reaching, still trying to perfect my craft.
I don't like it when you belittle people, even if they deserve it. Comments about someone's looks or personal life are not necessary. It should be beneath you. We're all just trying to "become" what we dream of being. My problem with some on the PA board is that they will never be more than they are because they don't want to grow - don't want to learn. They are satisfied to stay where they are - building a strong tower around themselves - quenching fiery darts that are actually bursts of insight and imagination. This saddens me - and angers me. But, I have no right to be angry. I just get that way. And, even though I get frustrated with some of those on the PA board, I don't like to see them attacked with words "meant" to harm. As writers, our words are sharpened and pointed - something we work at. They can be weapons if used carelessly. I feel the same way about this as I do when I read a manuscript peppered with curse words for effect. My goodness, what a cheap way to exact response. Sometimes they can be used effectively, but many times, they are used to replace wit and creative forcefulness.
It's time to stop. I'm tired tonight and feel that I am rambling. Always a sign to turn off the computer and do something else.
If we meet at the convention, I'll look forward to that drink. I lift an imaginary glass tonight to signal a new start. Hope you will raise your glass with me. I think we can learn a lot from each other. (Or at least have some heated and imaginative discussions!)
C.E. - sorry I put you in an awkward position. I will try to never do that again.
Nancy Mehl (not Marie -although I would be honored to be her.) |
C. E. Winterland
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 07:42 pm: | |
Nancy,
I did feel a bit awkward about it. I welcomed Patrick originally, and I welcome him again to the forum. But I meant what I said about mean spirited opinions.
Patrick,
I hope that you don't take my post the wrong way - I don't think you will, you seem the thick-skinned sort really. Not that I can judge, or would, because we don't really know you. By the way, I don't know that I would be invited to a PA gathering (but then, who knows), but I'd certainly share a drink with everyone  Thinkin about sharing one now, and toasting to open minds and the hearty discussions yet to come.
Whiskey anyone?
(Sure CE, I'll have some)
CEW |
LaurieAnne Cruea
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 07:59 pm: | |
Dennis,
The Amish community practive shunning on a daily basis. Any family member who has embraced beliefs or practices labeled as unacceptable by the Amish community will not be recognized. One of my coworkers is descended from Amish. Her father left the practices behind, and even his children are shunned. They attended a famly funeral and were flat ignored. No one spoke to them. No one ate with them. They were made to sit in the back of the church, etc.
It is VERY widely practiced. And those who fall victim to this practice suffer greatly by it. |
C. E. Winterland
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 08:10 pm: | |
Heh,
Cheers, Patrick, for the table invite - not sure how it was meant, but I bet getting sloppy with a few elvis impersonators, you, Victoria, Claudia and Nancy Mehl and Nancy Marie would be quite interesting... though be might want to instigate a boxing glove rule, just in case. Come to think of it, maybe we should have PA instigate such a rule over the whole event hehehe. (And invite the Pay-per-view folks too)
CEW |
Patrick
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 08:27 pm: | |
This must be said: I have perhaps too often moseyed into a bar somewhere not familiar simply because it seemed to be a place for me. Inevitably, and this has something to do with the law of averages, I stumble into a place that is, to be kind, not for me. I tend to lead with my face, with my personality, with my songs and my words. This thing about being tight-lipped or cordial or amiable or nice or quiet or sociable has always been a problem for me. I tend to court trouble, sure, but what I court most comes from my passion for truth, for reality, for disdaining the fakery. I could never make up a false scenario to save my life, although I manage to do it in writing. Who knows what the Hell that's all about, but that's it in a nutshell right there.
Wild as it may sound to some of you, I do choose my words carefully. And what I post here are the words I feel and wish to provide. I can see that I am woeful in the department you all insist on: Don't wound the cast!
I am a hopeless Romantic, and so I see wordplay as a distinct engagement. I am, in the end, formed into action by the stupidity even more than by the inhumanity of man...but I do believe in what I write.
The two Nancy are a full apology. I confused one for the other and that watered-down my position. The things I said about Internet Reviewers stand. That is my assessment of that and if it means banishment from here, well, so be it. Ban me. I've been thrown out of a few bars, some nice joints but most of them inconsequential dives. You've got to throw yourself against the planet, man. That's why they call it Life and that's why you're here for, at best, only 60-65 good years.
I'm not here to fight... |
LaurieAnne Cruea
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 08:45 pm: | |
Patrick,
The joy of writing is the ability to create things. I create the escapes I feel I would like, then venture in someone who doesn't belong. That little character then absolves to destroy everything sacred to the 'perfect' life in this imagination. Why? Who knows? As has been asked before, will always be asked, and answered in as many ways as possible....why does anyone write? |
C. E. Winterland
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 08:59 pm: | |
Patrick,
I don't want to throw anyone out of the bar. I think that's why my post was so dang long. And I don't want you to think that I'm blind to your point either. Like I said, I welcome you here, and your frankness, and I wouldn't want you to pretend. I am concerned about the other writers' feelings though. I think you are taking them more into consideration.
Life isn't all pleasantry, we all know, it's gritty and aggravating and a downright bitch sometimes. Maybe that's why we often try so hard to have escapes from that - and the forum is that in a way, though it certainly has its gritty points.
I appreciate your temperate attitude to all of the latest posts.
Looking forward to future discussions.
CEW |
Nancy Mehl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 10:08 pm: | |
Patrick,
Please stay. It's cold outside and the bar is warm. Let's get to know each other a little better. I'd like to hear more about you and what you write. What inspires you? What's important to you?
(And what I said about Internet reviewers stands, too. We're both pretty stubborn when we think we're right, aren't we? )
Nancy Mehl |
Patrick
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 09:33 am: | |
Nancy,
It may turn a head or two around here, but I do admire women able to hold their ground. Throw me up against one that'll resort to tears and, well, who needs that? I'll amble into this bar from time to time. I'm here too oftenas it is, but that's only temporary. I've gotta get back to my work as soon as we resolve the future of my last one.
My bent is toward contemporray fiction set in the American West, although not "western" as in Roy & Dale and The Cartwrights. More like modern microscopes on a "way of life." Not quichy like Urban Cowboy, but more desperate in tone and approach. Life at 33 rpm adorned by a plot/dialoggue coming a bit faster. I'm a huge fan of cowboy movies and the only one that fits what I write is The Wild Bunch, although the dialogue for that one was overcome by the dust Peckinpah favors in his scenes. Still, it was the paradox in that one - the clash between a gang of outlaws and time passing them by - that grabbed me.
I couldn't read a horror book if they had a gun to my head. In fact, I'd tell them to go ahead and pull the trigger. Same for sci-fi and most "women's fiction." I hear a rumbling on the march about that last half of that sentence, but that'show I feel. Never have finished a book by a woman, although I'm rather taken by the The Wind Done Gone, the parody about Gone With The Wind that was finally released last year thanks to a court ruling.
It should be noted that writing is not my foremost reason for living. I actually get a bigger kick out of hunting (the blast of the rifle and the echo coming from across the canyon on a late-afternoon) and fishing (the fight put up by a big one). That's just who I am. No apologies, no second-thought.
Oh, and dancing. Punking at a cowboy bar is the rage here. You know, doing "up & down" Devo to Jerry Jeff Walker, that sort of thing.
I've only had one haircut this year, if that means anything. I drive a new SUV and belong to, but rarely go to a health club here in town. Favorite book of all time: Keep the Change by Thomas McGuane
Favorite song: "Everyday" by Phil Collins
Favorite shirt: Button-down. 100% cotton. Long-sleeve. Light starch
Favorite pants: baggy chinos, or faded jeans
Favorite shoes: loafers (no socks) or my ostrich boots
Favorite position: perched on some cliff, waiting for a deer
Favorite snack: catfood
Favorite quote: "Hundred-proof whiskey is a cowboy's color TV
That's about it. Oh, yeah, I'm only pasisng through. |
Nancy Mehl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 09:59 am: | |
Patrick,
Hmmm. Never order one of my books, okay?
You're an interesting person, and I would love to read one of your books. I'm very eclectic in my tastes - think I would enjoy reading a book by someone with your strong personality. I'm sure it shows through in your writing. I respect good writing - even if the subject or style isn't my taste.
Hate hunting - never could understand the sport in shooting defenseless animals, but I love to fish. (I know that this could be constured as hypocritcal, but in the true fashion of a hypocrit, I don't care).
The cowboy style is not mine, but I did live in Arizona for a while, had horses, love to ride, so maybe there is a little western tinge to the color of my blood.
Please come here as often as you can. I've settled down a little. I rarely get riled, but lately, it has been an uncomfortable companion. I promise to be on better behavior.
How do I get one of your books? I don't even know your last name. Can we have a little more info please? (I promise not to put together a posse to round you up!) You may have shared this on the other forum, but if so, I missed it.
Nancy |
Patrick
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 03:51 pm: | |
Nancy,
- I am largely unread. |
Nancy Mehl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 04:17 pm: | |
Patrick,
A shame. Anyone who can elicit the kind of responses through their writing that you do - and can use imagery with such mastery - must be one heck of an author.
Maybe someday I'll get a chance to find out.
Nancy |
Patrick
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 04:30 pm: | |
Nancy,
- I have no doubt whatsoever that you absolutely will. What about you? Have you written something I may know about? |
Nancy Mehl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, December 31, 2001 - 11:15 am: | |
Hey, gang.
I wrote Amazon to see about an interview with someone who can explain the ranking system on Amazon.
Will contact them and see what I can do.
Please start putting together questions for the interview. Hold on to them until I get the go ahead, but let's get some things answered that have us "flummoxed." (That's for you, Dennis!)
Will keep you updated.
Nancy |
Jennifer Lynn
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 02:01 pm: | |
Hey ya'll (sound southern, don't I? lol) I used to hang out on the old iPublish site. I never expected a contract from TimeWarner, but it was a good place to get other writer's thoughts and opinions, so no contract wasn't a big deal. Lately, I got an email from someone from eNovel, who read a piece of mine and is interested in seeing the rest of the ms. Wondering if anyone here has heard anything about them?
Jennifer L |
C. E. Winterland
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 05:36 pm: | |
Hello Jennifer.
I will get my writer's link portal up soon on the main MindsightSeries.com site, but for now, be sure to check in with Preditors & Editors about specific publisher or agent questions.
http://www.anotherealm.com/prededitors/
I checked out the listing there for eNovel, and their blurb says "Poor contract. Not Recommended". Now, I believe they get their information from authors with experience from such companies, but you might follow through, and see what happens. If they send you a contract, check it out and see if it has some strange things in it. It can't hurt to go that far.
CEW |
Jennifer Lynn
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 10:20 pm: | |
Thanks for the info. I looked there but got lost in all the stuff on that site. You are probably right about the contract. In my research, I've discovered that they want all electronic rights (including POD rights) for ten years. Seems a bit excessive to me, even though they said they might consider negotiating that a bit. Still have a couple queries floating around out there somewhere, so might just hold off and see what comes in. At least now I'm finally getting to the point where I don't get that standard 'thanks,but no thanks' form letter I used to get!
Jennifer |
Nancy M. Segovia
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 06:14 pm: | |
Hi All,
I am in shock, I can't believe I did this, ARGH!!! UGH!! Oh my goodness, and all the rest that goes along with it.
I must have re-written the opening page of my upcoming novel at least 2 dozen times, no exaggeration. I proofed it and proofed it and proofed it again.
I was just looking at it because I wanted to post the opening chapter on Author's Den and at Amazing Author Showcase, when I found out I used the same word three times in four paragraphs. UGH!!
The word was dawn, now why didn't I catch that before? Why didn't I use pre-morning gloom or something similar at least once? I am so frustrated with myself. I can't believe I made a mistake that stupid. ARGH!!
If it wasn't on the first page I wouldn't be sooo...concerned. But it is.
I am about half-tempted to e-mail Mr. Meiners and beg, and beg, and beg him to let me change one of those "dawn's" to something else. What'cha think?
Think he'd let me do that, or am I obessing again? Which I know is quite possible given my obessive/compulsive/addictive personality. (Yes, I admit to being a bit screwed-up).
Guess that's all, smiles and blessings, Nancy Marie |
Nancy Mehl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 07:05 pm: | |
Just wanted to share a new review for Graven Images:
Graven Images
Nancy Mehl
AmErica House
TPB/ 19.95
1588515958
2001
Cally Jo McAllister has never been given the opportunity to be a
child with all of their innocence. At age four, she saw her mother's
killer fleeing the scene of the crime and by the age of seven, she
was in court to identify this man. Since her father emotionally
withdrew from her, Cally only had her therapist, Lily, to lean on.
Lily got Cally through the rough times but Cally knew to grow into a
healthy adult, she would have to help herself also. So far, Cally has
managed to do it. She is attending college and works with the police
as a sketch artist. Her police work makes her feel as if she is
helping to put away people like the man who killed her mother. Life
seems to be working out for Cally, that is until the bad dreams that
plagued her as a child, return. These dreams shake all of Cally's
beliefs of the past and the answers that satisfied her when she was
younger are no longer sufficient. Since her past memories seem to be
crumbling at her feet, her future also looks pretty shaky. To stay
alive, Cally must figure out if she made the worst mistake of her
life when she was only seven. A damning truth will resurface and it
is up to Cally to come out stronger- or not at all.
Graven Images is a smart thriller that will make you think. It
slowly turns up the tension until you are so far gone into the story,
there is no way to stop reading. The best thing about this book is
the relationships that run throughout. Each relationship that Cally
has with the people in this book is enticing and touching. The scenes
between Cally and her father are enough to make anyone cry. I really
enjoyed this book on many levels. For pure entertainment, it was
great but the technical side was aptly done as well. There were no
grammar problems and the writing flowed beautifully. I highly
recommend this book.
Reviewed by Robyn Glazer
I'm thrilled. Robyn reviews for Mystery News - which is a top notch review site for Mystery Authors. Keep your fingers crossed that this will be accepted for MN. My request for a review went unanswered.
Nancy |
C. E. Winterland
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 07:16 pm: | |
Nancy Marie,
Unfortunately, I do not think that PA will allow you to change any text. Take a gander at the Posting from Dr. Minogue - I am mightily vexed with Mr. Meiners right now for that discourse.
Nancy Mehl,
Nice review! Wow, very nice.
CEW |
Nancy M. Segovia
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 08:07 pm: | |
Nancy Mehl - Congrats! Another great review, you are on your way.
C.E. - I read all that, oh boy, what a mess and I feel so bad for the Doc.
Guess I can forget about getting my three "dawn's" changed.
I don't think I even have the courage to ask at this point.
I suppose I should be grateful if that's all I find that I overlooked.
blessings to all, Nancy Marie |
Dennis Collins
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 04:04 am: | |
Check list........
Jeremiah Healy, Harvard grad, former law professor and now full time mystery writer says that he proof reads his manuscripts several times looking for specific problems with each reading. He will go through it once looking for repeated words, another time for spelling, punctuation, and typos, and again for words or names that begin with the same letter. He said that he once discovered that every single character in one of his novels had a name beginning with the letter "M".
He uses a checklist so that he can mark off each criterion as he goes through his work. He's also the guy who told me that I would rewrite my book twenty-five times before I was finished with it.
I have begun following many of the hints that I got from this fellow, another "writer's conference" connection. |
Nancy M. Segovia
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 06:59 am: | |
Hi Dennis,
Yep, I agree. I have done all of those on all my novels. I even
read them aloud at least once, as reading your work aloud
is an excellent way to discover what your eye has missed.
That is why I was so shocked to find the word "dawn" three times
on the first page. I still don't know how that happened.
I also have at least two other trusted people, usually more
like three, proofread it also. So....
I guess I should quit worrying about trying to make it perfect,
but I don't think that's ever going to happen. I just want
to make sure my work is the best that I can make it.
smiles and blessings, Nancy Marie
Oh, yeah, there's an article on my website in the newsletter
section about reading your work aloud as a rewriting tool, if
anybody's interested. web site is: www.nancymarie.com |
Kathy Bosworth
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 04:38 pm: | |
Oh My God!!
So this is where everybody went. There was a message on the PA board this morning (very briefly) about this site. I figured I would stop over and see what all the fuss was about. Here you all are. Why there's my old friend Nancy Mehl, and Nancy Marie, Vickie, Claudia, Christy and all the rest. I have missed you. But I didn't know where you went.
I hope you don't mind me stopping in for a minute. This is one interesting message board. Nancy Mehl...I wanted you to know that I ordered Graven Images from Amazon today. I hope that doesn't mess up your ratings again. HAHAHA. I will leave reviews when I am done. Have you figured out Amazon yet? I haven't. Nancy Marie...I loved your first chapter that was posted on authorsden. I left a little review for you.
Well, I guess I don't have much to offer in the way of a discussion. Just wanted to say HI. |
Nancy M. Segovia
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 04:56 pm: | |
Hi Kathy, and welcome to the forum and thank you for your
kind words. I haven't seen the review, in fact, that really
surprised me. I didn't realize author's den had that option.
I can't wait to see it, but I am saving the best for last.
Too Cool! My first review.
smiles and blessings, Nancy Marie |
Nancy Mehl
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 06:13 pm: | |
Kathy,
You ordered GRAVEN IMAGES!! Oh, my gosh! Now, I'll never be able to figure out Amazon!!! LOL!
Seriously, I know that last week several orders were placed - so my ratings dropped! (I mean rose...you know, the wrong way!!!)
So, I still don't get it. I did write Amazon and ask for an interview with someone. I'll let everyone know if I get it. I want you guys to formulate the questions.
Yep, Kathy. Hanging out over here. Please come and see us anytime. It's a little shaky here right now, but the people are very nice. (Except C.E. He's been swearing a lot lately. )
Hope you enjoy GRAVEN IMAGES. Thanks for ordering. :-)
Nancy
GRAVEN IMAGES
www.nancymehl.com |
C. E. Winterland - work
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 07:24 pm: | |
Kathy, Welcome and feel free to drop in anytime.
Nancy Mehl, I noticed the swearing too. I think my cat (who is none-too-happy about taking his medicine these days) is getting on my computer when I'm at work!
I'll be sure to have a chat with him and wash off that tongue with some Lava or Life Bouy.
(Nice and subtley done, merci madmoiselle.)
CEW
PS - I quit smoking WOOT! |
Nancy M. Segovia
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 07:39 pm: | |
C.E. - Congrats on the smoking thing, I have tried, and tried, and tried, and failed and failed and failed. Actually, I have quit once for a 1 1/2 years, another time for 3+ years, and another time for 5+ years. Problem is everytime I went through something stressful, like a divorce, I went back to the cigarettes.
Bad, bad girl. Bad, bad Christian.
Oh well, I'll keep trying, maybe one day I'll succeed, but your darn tooting I won't ever quit if I don't keep trying.
Now, about that cat. I'll trade you for the one that peed on my puter monitor and shorted it out. I'd like a cat that cusses. Since, I gave up cussing some years ago, it would be nice to have something around that could do it for me, then I won't have to feel guilty whenever I slip up. I can just blame it on the cat. (GRIN)
Cod liver oil is a great cure for cussing by the way. Better than the old soap trick. And, it's good for you too
smiles and blessings, Nancy Marie |
LaurieAnne Cruea
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 08:08 pm: | |
Smokers suck---(the cigarette, that is)
I have quit 3 times...while I was pregnant. But as soon as I went back to work after maternity leave, and found the huge piles of paperwork that had fallen 6 weeks behind...well, let's just say I fell off the cliff.
Swear? I swear several times a day:
I swear every morning that I'll get up without trying to kill the alarm clock.
I swear that I won't let the children goad me into a bad mood.
I swear I'll add at least 10 more minutes of writing time to my schedule.
I swear I won't let a headache knock me out of commission.
I swear that I'll meditate when I get home.
I swear that I will be kind to those around me.
I swear that I will love my children more today than yesterday.
I swear that I will express my appreciation to my husband.
I swear that only truths will pass my lips, and that I'll not be deterred from my chosen path.
I swear that I'll have a little coffee with my cream and sugar.
I swear that I'll stay away from the snack machine (well, maybe a few M&M's...)
I swear that I'll smoke one less cigarette each day this week than last week.
So, yes. I guess I swear a lot.
Blessings and good tidings. |
C. E. Winterland
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 08:54 pm: | |
Well, I grew up on a construction family on a seaport... The swearing thing just never quite got out of my system, I guess. (Of course, I followed the construction/seaport up by moving to Manhattan's lower east side - which didn't really improve matters).
I'll watch that cat though... he just don't understand about things like that - he just wants his next flavored potato chip, a chunk of banana, and a lick of tea tree oil... he's wierd.
CEW |
Vickie Adkins
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 09:06 pm: | |
Nancy Mehl:
I emailed Amazon a while back with probably the same questions you're asking. This is their reply:
The bestseller list is much like the New York Times bestseller list, except instead of listing just the top 50 or so titles, it lists more than two million. The lower the number, the higher the sales for that particular title.
The calculation is based on Amazon.com sales and is updated regularly. The top 10,000 best sellers are updated each hour to reflect sales over the preceding 25 hours. The next 100,000 are updated daily. The rest of the list is updated monthly, based on several different factors. Items are ranked within their product category only, so a CD ranked at Number 1 is the best-selling CD at Amazon.com, but may not be the overall best-selling item.
We hope you find it interesting. Thanks for shopping at Amazon.com
Clear as mud, right? HAHA
Also I have to totally agree with you on the whole PA issue. Yes, the books are priced high, and the editing leaves a lot to be desired, but my book is out there already and people are asking for the sequel. If I'd waited on a traditional publishing house, I'd still be waiting.
I am researching for a column for Myshelf.com and read yesterday about Harper Lee and how To Kill a Mockingbird got to the right people at the right time (JFK was one). What we do with our published work is up to us. We can not promote and just let it waste away, or we can get our product out there the best way we know how. I suggest visiting another great site for authors if you haven't already- UAA. Kevin has posted several marketing ideas that can be done for almost nothing.
I've learned so much since Tattered came out in July and wish I'd learned it all earlier, but how many of us learned BEFORE we made our mistakes? Although that would be way cool, it isn't going to happen. Matter of fact, I'm so stubborn I usually don't learn anything the first time around.
Don't waste precious time bashing when you could be promoting! I wouldn't say that if I thought the bashing was getting anywhere. But honestly, I don't think it is. If anything, it might make someone take offense and retaliate by doing nothing.
Best,
Vickie |
Vickie Adkins
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 09:10 pm: | |
Oopppss. Should have read 24 hours instead of 25.
And also Nancy Mehl, that whole message wasn't directed to you, just the Amazon.com part and the next paragraph. I'm still getting used to the board here and thought I was going to get to edit but instead it posted. I'll have to watch my typos from now on. Sorry 'bout that!
Vickie |
Nancy Mehl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 09:17 am: | |
Okay, back to the Amazon thing....my book has suddenly plummetted to something like 295 in comparison with other PA books. Since I know that orders were recently placed, I don't thing so. I've never been lower than 100, and am usually higher than that.
Then, when I sorted titles through mysteries and thrillers, it listed me as number 5 - with books behind me that are ahead of me on the bigger list. This is obviously impossible.
So, in conclusion, Amazon doesn't know what the heck they're doing!!!! (Unless my book hits number 1. Then, they will have finally figured it out!!! LOL!)
I've requested an interview with someone at Amazon for my column. No word yet. Will keep you updated.
Nancy
GRAVEN IMAGES
www.nancymehl.com |
Nancy Mehl
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 07:45 am: | |
A question for those of you at Author's Den.
My time is becoming very limited. I want to make good use of it.
Tell me if you feel that Author's Den has been fruitful for you. I have a web site, so I'm not looking for a substitute.
Wouldn't it be better for me to trail my web site address around instead of taking the time to set up something in Author's Den?
What have your experiences been? Any sales because of your involvement?
For Tracy - I read your post (somewhere!) about wanting to know more about us. I will be glad to respond to that - but it will have to be tonight sometime.
Nancy Mehl
GRAVEN IMAGES
www.nancymehl.com |
C. E. Winterland
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 01:13 pm: | |
Nancy -
I have a page at Author's Den. Despite the e-mails they keep sending me that I don't really want, I do have links to this site from there, so it is kind of helpful...
CEW |
Nancy Mehl
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 01:47 pm: | |
CE,
Thanks. I appreciate the input.
Have you received the e-mails I sent you? Haven't heard back and was beginning to wonder...
Nancy
GRAVEN IMAGES
www.nancymehl.com |
C. E. Winterland - work
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 21, 2002 - 03:44 pm: | |
Hey folks... do you think you'd look more at the Patch story if it were its own main topic? What do you think?
CEW |
LaurieAnne Cruea
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 21, 2002 - 05:27 pm: | |
CEW,
I think it might draw a little more attention that way.
I, personally, could sit and keep running with it, but I like to share. And I really want to see other voices involved. It's amazing the changes a story can undergo by including others. (Kind of like that kid's game, telephone, ain't it?) |
Silverheels
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 25, 2002 - 03:31 pm: | |
It might help to put it under a heading of its own. I've been waiting for someone to jump in. |
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