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pacwriter
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Post Number:
1030
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 06:49 pm: |   |
Came across this - it is a literary agency describing what they ARE LOOKING FOR:
interesting they say the markets for fantasy are flooded as are middle-school readers - yiikes - Steven - we both lose
What we need as of October, 2003
***Chick-lit***
Definitions of chick-lit: It is 20-something woman's fiction with a broad appeal, written by women. The protagonist must not be a whiny-butt. It does not necessarily have to be a romance, nor does it have to have a happy ending. Chick-lit can be written in first person and is about dating and love in all its many and varied aspects. Also, when writing this fairly new genre, think funny and witty in a big city setting. Think "Sex in the City" or "Friends" when writing. Examples: a must-read is Bridget Jones, The Devil Wears Prada and The Nanny Diaries.
***Cozy Mysteries***
We are looking for cozies that will appeal to the 30 to 40-year-old reader. They can be humorous or serious; however, a wise-ass protagonist is a big plus. New cozy mysteries must follow the regular mystery genre guidelines with a strong woman protagonist.
***Suspense Romance***
This is a mixed genre romance (as the above suggests). The main focus can be on the romance or the suspense. Not much more to say about this--let your imagination be your guide.
***Historical Romance***
Nothing new here except the trend is toward more sex.
**Multicultural Romance**
We would be very interested in anyone who writes a good multicultural romance (primarily African American). These can be romances with a chick-lit flavor to them. We are very, very interested in mixed culture romances and have editors standing by to look at them.
***Chick-lit for the older chick**
Chick-lit is what is popular at present; however, the next wave in this phenomena will be that written for the twenty-something "chick" who is married and facing the next set of problems. Think juggling schedules, fading romance, impending divorce, careers, and kids. This field is wide open and now is the time for the new writers to take Chick-Lit to the next logical step. Let your imagination run free, but make sure your writing matches this age group's added sophistication. As with all writing, excellence has its own rewards.
http://www.pacwriter.netfirms.com/ |
Victoria (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 07:15 pm: | |
The market for fantasy and science fiction is no more flooded than it ever is, and in fact, there has been significant expansion in the past year or so with several new fantasy/sf lines starting up for young adult readers.
What agency is this?
- Victoria |
pacwriter
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Post Number:
1031
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 07:19 pm: | |
Hi Victoria
http://www.wylie-merrick.com/Needs.htm
http://www.pacwriter.netfirms.com/ |
Steven Shrewsbury
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Post Number:
325
Registered: 04-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 05:28 am: | |
Dang, and I don't really write for kids.... |
Todd Hunter
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Post Number:
855
Registered: 02-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 05:32 am: | |
I would love to hear about these sf/fantasy lines for young adults, if possible... |
Victoria (Unregistered Guest)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 09:25 am: | |
I've gotten a number of inquiries about Wylie-Merrick. They do appear to have made a few small sales. With one exception (Roaring Brook Press), all are to small publishers or specialty publishers (for instance, a publisher that produces books exclusively for homeschoolers) that don't require writers to be agented, and may not have national distribution. There's nothing wrong with this, of course (apart from the fact that the authors probably didn't need the agent to make the sale)--but IMO it doesn't qualify them to make sweeping comments on the state of the commercial market, especially in areas such as SF/fantasy, where they haven't sold anything at all.
Todd, while traditionally YA SF and fantasy hasn't been separated into dedicated imprints, as with adult publishing, several large commercial publishers have recently started SF/fantasy lines for young adults. It's never explicitly stated, but all the interest and activity in YA fantasy right now, not to mention the ballooning advances, is a result of the popularity of Harry Potter, and publishers' desire, if not to repeat JK Rowling's success, to rush out and tap the market they think is out there for this sort of fiction.
New imprints include Firebird from Penguin Group (http://www.firebirdbooks.com/), Starscape Books from Tor (http://www.starscapebooks.com/), Tor Teen, also from Tor, and Del Rey Imagine. My publisher, Eos, hasn't set up a separate line, but has started to mix an increasing number of YA books in with its adult list. There's also a new YA line from Dorchester Publishing, Smooch (http://www.smoochya.com/); it's not fantasy per se, but it does do paranormal stuff.
With the exception of Smooch, the new imprints are mainly focused on reprinting or repackaging previously published work (for instance, Firebird does paperback reprints of Penguin hardcovers; Starscape is repackaging Tor adult books that are suitable for younger readers); they also are from large houses where a good agent is pretty much necessary in order to get serious editorial attention. Still, if there's one section of the market that's hot, it's YA fantasy--so if you're just worn out with the agent hunt, you probably have a better chance right now of snagging an editor's attention with a YA fantasy novel or series than you would if you had a comparable book or series for adults (though again, that chance is slim compared to the chance you'd have if you were agented).
(The success of ERAGON, by the way, is _not_ an example of this; a whole host of special circumstances apply to this young author's success. On the other hand, Knopf's interest in YA fantasy, not to mention the jaw-dropping advance they paid for the series, is a symptom of the fever of acquisition going on right now in this market.)
You need to approach the appropriate editor _directly_ (rather than just sending to the publisher) in order to have any chance at all. For Penguin, that's Sharyn November, who heads up Viking Children's Books; for Tor you could try Jonathan Schmidt, who edits Starscape. Smooch accepts submissions direct from authors; guidelines are on the website.
- Victoria
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Todd Hunter
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Post Number:
856
Registered: 02-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 03:39 pm: | |
Thanks for the info, Victoria...
will definitely have to check all of them out...
Of course, have to get that second book finished before then...heh...
by that time, I imagine the fire will probably have extinguished... |
Victoria (Unregistered Guest)
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I was just checking the latest SFWA Bulletin, and it reports that Tor Teen is looking for manuscripts--unlike Starscape, it's going to concentrate on original fiction. They say you don't need to be agented. Contact person is Jonathan Schmidt. I can put up addresses and more specific guidelines if anyone is interested.
- Victoria |
Todd Hunter
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Post Number:
859
Registered: 02-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 06:39 am: | |
Can't speak for everyone else, but I'll probably wait until I get closer to finished with the new book... |
sophie simonet
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Post Number:
697
Registered: 03-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 08:56 am: | |
Victoria, I'd be interested. Brian Seifrit and I have co-written a western horror-fantasy, which might fit the YA market (14-24). Does have some "adult themes" though. Thanks for all the good info. |
Steven Shrewsbury
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Post Number:
327
Registered: 04-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 06:40 pm: | |
Drat it....and here I am writing stuff for blue collar guys....
maybe if I tone it down and wash off soem blood and edit the sexual suggestion.....
rrrrrrrrrrrr
I gotta be me, though.
I actually did have a concept for a children's series, but would not have the faintest idea who to pitch such a concept to...I would guess it would need to be illistrated...but I tell my son these tales....I make them up about an obscure historical figure...dunno if there is a market for such a thing... |
Todd Hunter
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Post Number:
861
Registered: 02-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 06:22 am: | |
I don't think I could change my (overall) style in order to get published...
which will probably get me in trouble with trying to get it sold anywhere...
Like you, Steve, I gotta be me...
I'm certain there are a number of good illustrators around...I know of at least a couple with ties around here...
It certainly sounds like a good premise to me...good luck with it... |
Jan Fields
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Post Number:
555
Registered: 09-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 07:33 am: | |
Steven,
In traditional publishing you do not have to worry or think about your illustrator, the publisher does that. Now, for a children's series -- there are many formats. Picture books (for which the market profoundly sucks right now) are fully illustrated, target young children (mostly) and have less than 1000 words (unless you are a celebrity, then it can have as many words as you dang well please.)
Then there are chapter books. The market for boy's chapter books with adventurous storylines is HUGE right now. A chapter book is broken into short chapters (10 being the most common number of chapters but anything goes). The sentences are short, the paragraphs are short. There is a lot of white space on the page because the focus is on quick, easy, exciting reading. The total word count varies from 5000 words (short end for 2nd grade readers) to just under 10,000 words (high end for 3rd grade readers). Representative boy book series are The Zack Files, The Time Warp Trio, and Chet Gecko.
Then comes middle grade novels. The market is good for these -- maybe a tiny bit better than in the past but it's pretty stable. They are longer and the number of chapters is totally open. The length can be pretty close to anything you darn well please, but they usually begin (for length) where chapter books leave off.
Then come young adult novels. The length of these is very genre specific. Fantasy can run long but many contemporary YA novels are incredibly short -- around 20,000 words or less. So it's an open form and much more popular right now than in the past. The stories can be very edgy (one YA novel has a girl who turns into a dog and has sex with lots of other dogs -- ewww).
So...it depends upon what kind of stories you are doing. But, this is one area about which I know a fair bit so if you need more data -- let me know.
Jan |
Donny Ray
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Post Number:
4
Registered: 05-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 05:17 pm: | |
I wanted to publish some of my essays and novels, but now I am questioning myself.
Years later, maybe I would want to change what I wrote after it was published!
What if I wrote something that I previously believed, and NOW I no longer believe it...a theory or something.
I guess that's why there are trilogies and series'.
Donny -
http://www.drbennett.2ya.com |
S.F. Falkner (Unregistered Guest)
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After looking at what the greatest "needs" are in the "hot" new areas of the publishing world, I've finally figured out my biggest problem...
I'm not a chick.
S.F. Falkner |
Laurel Johnson
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Post Number:
2484
Registered: 01-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 04:50 am: | |
As a chick, I can say this.
I'm S.O.L. no matter what genre is hot and not.  |
Fred Dungan
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Post Number:
457
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2003 - 09:49 pm: | |
Patience, Laurel, patience. Your time will come. |
Steven Shrewsbury
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Post Number:
437
Registered: 04-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 05:19 am: | |
I just had a story returned to me after I signed a contract a YEAR ago...because the project collapsed via well, an unusual editor and a rather bizarre deal no one can explain with a publisher. sigh. Win some, lose some I guess. |
Jennifer Lynn
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Post Number:
930
Registered: 03-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 07:34 am: | |
Bummer Steven, sorry to hear that. |
Todd Hunter
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Post Number:
1009
Registered: 02-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 03:33 pm: | |
I don't suppose there was an advance involved, so you would have gotten a little something out of the deal?
Definitely a bummer... |
Steven Shrewsbury
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Post Number:
439
Registered: 04-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 04:09 pm: | |
Ah well, 'Tis the biz. That is ok. I had included the name of this paperback antho on about every paperback I ahd pubbed...now it is defunct...sigh.
Perhaps CE will like that tale for the MS antho... |
D.R.
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Post Number:
7
Registered: 05-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 05:46 pm: | |
None of this really matters, and what if it did?
It is true that women's fiction is a big seller, especially with Bantam,
but a few good men are also published on Doubleday.
When the editorial staff at Random House is 99.9% women, go figure.
http://www.drbennett.2ya.com
http://www.drbennett.2ya.com |
Steven Shrewsbury
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Post Number:
451
Registered: 04-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, December 29, 2003 - 05:53 pm: | |
Cripes, what a ratio... |
Victoria Strauss
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Post Number:
8
Registered: 11-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 - 08:29 am: | |
>>When the editorial staff at Random House is 99.9% women, go figure.<<
Bulls**t.
Another gem from that fount of publishing wisdom, Don Ray.
- Victoria
http://www.victoriastrauss.com
http://www.writerbeware.com |
Brian T. Seifrit
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Post Number:
620
Registered: 03-2002
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Hey Victoria, can you post the info for Jonathan Schmidt? As Sophie stated her and I co-wrote a Bestseller :^) and we'd like more info on that JS fellow. Thanx. Talk to ya...
Brian T.
http://seifrit.ineedabook.net |
Victoria Strauss
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Post Number:
9
Registered: 11-2003
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Whoops, sorry--I know I promised to do it and then didn't.
Here's the announcement that appeared in the SFWA Bulletin:
"Tor has announced Tor Teen for those 12 or 13 and up. According to Senior Editor Jonathan Schmidt, Tor Teen will publish one sf/fantasy book every other month and is open to unsolicited manuscripts of up to 55,000 words. He's defining the field broadly as 'work that shows a recognizable element of imaginative writing' and urges writers not to feel limited by boundaries. Send manuscripts to Jonathan Schmidt, Tor Books, 175 Fifth Avenue, New York NY 10010."
- Victoria
http://www.victoriastrauss.com
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D.R.
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Post Number:
8
Registered: 05-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 - 05:43 pm: | |
This is what's great about the Internet...
You can say whatever you feel. You can even think about what you say before you say it, unlike some. I try very hard not to knock people like Victoria for their un-thoughtful comments about me, considering she does not even know me or anything about me.
There are several Don Rays, Donny Rays, and D.R.s on the Internet. I am just one of them.
Anyways...Steven and Brian are two of the best male writers I've seen.
http://www.drbennett.2ya.com |
D.R.
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Post Number:
9
Registered: 05-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 - 08:01 pm: | |
Brian,
Email me for my new number. Let's chat.
D
(Jim Morrison is King)
http://www.drbennett.2ya.com |
Steven Shrewsbury
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Post Number:
453
Registered: 04-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 05:51 am: | |
Well thanks for saying that DR. I wish I convince a major publisher or an agency to agree. Brian is dang good, I concur.
I looked back at the start of this thread and was reminded of it because of a new project. Well, it isn't major, but I was invited to write a tale for an anthology set for teens, ala GOOSEBUMPS scary level. For me, that may be difficult, but I think I have a few ideas. I'll give anything a try for more exposure, as it were...
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Victoria Strauss
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Post Number:
10
Registered: 11-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 09:09 am: | |
DR, you are the same person who came onto this board a while back trying to push his services as a literary agent. You're the same person who (falsely) claimed on Writers Net he'd sold books for Ray Manzarek, among others. You're the same person who has contacted writers (who subsequently contacted me) offering them agenting and publishing services for a fee. That much, I do know.
- Victoria
http://www.victoriastrauss.com
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Mary Gibbs
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Post Number:
91
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2004 - 03:54 pm: | |
::sigh:: If only my new novel was 22,000 words lighter (give or take)... |
D.R.
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Post Number:
10
Registered: 05-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 09:54 pm: | |
To be published or not to be...this is the answer.
http://www.drbennett.2ya.com |
Laurel Johnson
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Post Number:
2528
Registered: 01-2002
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My experience with agents so far taught me one of those excellent life lessons.
There are worse things than not being published. |
Steven Shrewsbury
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Post Number:
475
Registered: 04-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 05:32 am: | |
Yeah, Laurel, this is one interesting, educational business. |
D.R.
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Post Number:
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Registered: 05-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 05:22 pm: | |
Stephen,
I've given this question much thought. The answer is No. I do not want to be published. Reason: Misunderstanding, Misquotes, Misprints, Misrepresentation, and the list goes on.
I will write for my own sheer pleasure and self-gratification.
May the Shaman rule.
D
http://www.drbennett.2ya.com
http://www.drbennett.2ya.com |
Steven Shrewsbury
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Post Number:
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Registered: 04-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 05:44 pm: | |
Well, there was an old expression we used to say playing cards that a shaman never thought of.
No balls, no babies.
This biz ain't pretty nor for the faint of heart. It will lift ya up, consume ya and make ya angry, pissed, happy and orgasmic. Sometimes all in the same hour.
There are times I feel like hanging it up. Then I drink a beer and go shoot some guns and the feeling passes.
There was a quote I placed on a tale I am writing with Peter Welmerink today.
“Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.”
Lois McMaster Bujold
Like Bruce Wayne, I shall become a BAT....rather than a mouse
Then again, there is another school of thought...
"After being Turned Down by numerous Publishers, he had decided to write for Posterity."
George Ade, "Fables in Slang", 1899
Write something to suit yourself and many people will like it; write something to suit everybody and scarcely anyone will care for it.
Jesse Stuart
The only reason for being a professional writer is that you can't help it.
Leo Rosten
You have to know how to accept rejection and reject acceptance.
Ray Bradbury
Writing is not necessarily something to be ashamed of, but do it in private and wash your hands afterwards.
Robert Heinlein
I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters.
Solomon Short
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Fred Dungan
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Post Number:
509
Registered: 10-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 10:42 pm: | |
First class advice, especially the "drink a beer and go shoot some guns" part. It's definitely what keeps me going and, as Steven pointed out, if you don't keep going, you won't ever get there.
http://www.fdungan.com/vigilantes.htm |
Jennifer Lynn
Unity Member
Post Number:
1009
Registered: 03-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 11:37 pm: | |
It's easy to get discouraged. It happens to all of us. The thing is to keep on going. Giving up is easy, but it sure doesn't do a thing for that 'bug' you have burning away to tell one more story.
Jenn |
S.F. Falkner (Unregistered Guest)
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On point:
"If you're going through hell... keep going."
Winston Churchill |
Dennis Collins
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Post Number:
654
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 10:16 am: | |
What did you expect???
Us PA authors really need to take a long hard look at what we got for our money.
First of all, what were our expectations and our hopes? Were they realistic?
For my part, I wanted my book in print, my only expectation and it happened.
After that, the rest was all hope. I hoped to sell five thousand copies the first year and establish my name as a writer. Both of those dreams have been partially realized. Sales have been disappointingly short of my wishes but the book has been extremely well received by all the critics who have reviewed it in both the print and electronic media.
It's done well enough to be one of only five titles from PA's catalogue to be moved up to their Independence Books imprint.
Were my dreams unrealistic? Probably. Deborah Morgan's very first mystery novel sold over four thousand copies in the first couple of months. But then Deborah was a professional publicist for a major novelist before she began writing. Her network is considerably larger than mine.
Could PA have done more? Certainly. They could have priced my book much more competitively and taken returns. Availability has also been a sometimes problem.
What else is there? As far as editing, I can get that elswhere and I never expected help with promotion. I'd rather have full control of promotion anyway.
The stigma of being POD published is not assigned to PA, iUniverse, or any other POD company. Ownership of that animal belongs to the mainstream companies.
These factors are the ones that apply to me personally. I'm sure there are others who had different expectations and researched things far more deeply than I.
Yes, I wanted more!!! Did I have a right to expect it? I'm not so sure. |
Nancy Mehl
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Post Number:
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Registered: 08-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 10:43 am: | |
Things are a little different for me, Dennis, but I agree with you in many points. I contacted PA before submitting my manuscript and told them I DID NOT want to publish POD. I asked specifically if they were a POD publisher. They told me they were not, that they were a traditional publisher. Now we know why they say that. We didn't pay to have our books published. But they knew they used POD technology and that I would have this problem with book stores. And no one told me. I consider that to be dirty pool. I never saw the book store problem coming.
The fact that I published with PA has had a positive and a negative effect. When challenged that my book is self-published, I can say, "I didn't pay to have it published." That has helped me a few times. However, people have heard of PA. Even in Kansas - and the feedback isn't good. I've heard, "Publishamerica? I've heard they'll publish anything." The release of poorly written, poorly edited books by PA doesn't help good authors. As PA churns out thousands of books, more of these embarrassing titles show up. I think it makes us look worse. I've already been hit with more PA books to review for the newspaper than any other publisher! A couple have been good - except one that needed better editing. Haven't read the others yet, but from a brief skim, things don't look good.
At least if we'd gone through iUniverse or 1stBooks, we'd be making more money on our sales. For those who haven't sold many, that may not mean anything, but for those of us who have sold over 1,000, this adds up.
I still intend to work to sell my book. But my main focus now is on other projects. I think that's healthy.
Nancy |
Publius2 (Unregistered Guest)
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What you just testified to was deception. What I know is with the two vanity books I have, I still have the rights to break them up and resell them. I can't do that with the PA one. That's a big part of the scam: exclusivity. The untraditional royalty scheme is the worst part, if these scam points can be rated separately.
The only thing vanity publication does is lose a real publisher 1st rights. That's about the same as throwing the manuscript in the trash. |
Publius2 (Unregistered Guest)
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If you want more, submit to a real publisher until hell won't have it. That's the only way you'll ever know if you actually have a book. You had no business expecting more from a vanity press. |
Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
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Post Number:
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Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 12:12 pm: | |
Some of us didn't know they were really a vanity press!! Course, that was in the long ago days before the PA board was there, and even before this one was up. But that is another story. Give it a rest.
Claudia |
Publius2 (Unregistered Guest)
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Well you certainly know now. That's the take home lesson. |
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