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Nancy Mehl
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
1513
Registered: 08-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 07:35 pm: |   |
Steven,
No. They were afraid they'd be shot!! LOL!
Nancy |
Desessarts (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 138.88.220.143
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 09:32 pm: | |
Hello Folks:
I've never posted here, but I thought it was 'bout time to stroll on over & see what horrific things Lynn P. was posting about PA.
Now, Ms. Lynn, I'm SO ashamed @ the nasatystuff you've been leveling towards them, particularly towards a certain someone. Shame on you . . . NOT! You see, I like to read it w/my own eyes, make sure each side is playing fair, & not jump in in support of someone, unless I've seen it from both angles. This I have now done. Lynn knows who I am. Diana probably knows who I am. And Lynn knows that she has my full support. No one deserves the sort of treatment she's rec'd. It's sad, very sad.
I imagine I'll be one of the next to join the "banned" club. Unfortunate, because -- &, pls, no one throw tomatoes @ me -- I really like Willem Meiners AND Larry Clopper. They've been quite good to me personally. I AM, however, concerned about this banning thing, as well as about the armed men @ the PA convention. I was there. I saw them. I listened as another PAer asked Mr. Meiners about the reason behind their attendance. And I heard him respond, in words to the effect of, "They're here for your [authors'] protection."
My take on it -- they weren't there to strongarm any authors. This wasn't meant for the authors. It may have been for the owners' protection, however. Who really knows? They may be powerful people. That's in no way an insult, simply a comment.
I'm building a career here. I'm not a "company man," for any company. I've worked for the gov't, thankyouverymuch. And if I feel righteous anger in response to unwarranted negative treatment flung in the direction of someone I respect, someone I've seen do nothing other than speak her mind, & fairly offer assistance to other authors (ie, the Lending Library), & employ the free market system so popular in our FREE economy structure, I just can't sit back & watch. That LL isn't taking any $$ out of anyone's pocket. And now, the offending thread claims that Lynn taking $$ for the postage is illegal & insinuates that she may be pocketing funds -- well, that's slander. And it's ugly & wrong.
Despite any of PA's publishing idiosyncracies, to this point I personally have had no beef w/them. As said, they've even treated me quite well. I like Willem & Larry, as people, yet I'm disturbed over the overwhelming sensation that eyeballs are watching me right now from the other side of my computer screen.
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priceless1 (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 68.96.86.244
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 11:27 pm: | |
Yes, Desessarts, bless you dearly. I do know who you are and I love you dearly for these words. You have always been a voice of reason and my respect for you has never been in question. Thank you. This means more to me than you'll ever know.
Lynn |
Diana Hignutt
Awareness Member
Post Number:
5
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 05:27 am: | |
Thanks for the welcome, everyone! I'm delighted to find a forum where free speech is permitted. And, heck, I know more than half of you already, and I've heard some very nice things about others.
I don't know if I'm officially banned yet. I kept posting on the other board and they kept pulling my threads as quickly as I could write them.
Yes, it is a fact that there was food enough for maybe 70 people at the convention. Yes, I personally saw people stand in line for ten minutes only to find empty food trays when they got there. And did anyone mention that they ran out of forks alomst immediately. People had to eat stuff with their fingers. That is absolutely true.
I think I know who you are Desessarts.
Diana |
Violet Towe
Wandering Member
Post Number:
276
Registered: 03-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 05:51 am: | |
Diana, CE set this site up just for that purpose, 'free speech', and you are most welcome.
Don't be fooled by you trying to post over there and your message keeps being pulled. They KNOW you're trying to post a message that's why it's being pulled. |
Steven Shrewsbury
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
577
Registered: 04-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 06:47 am: | |
Also, feel free to talk about stuff OTHER than PA.
We do talk about writing, drinking, etc...or anything that trips your trigger. |
Violet Towe
Wandering Member
Post Number:
277
Registered: 03-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 06:51 am: | |
Oh, Steven we do, and though I haven't talked to you about your books they do sound so interesting. I could learn a lot from you. Talking about writing is one of my favorite subjects, that and getting published. |
Steven Shrewsbury
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
579
Registered: 04-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 07:07 am: | |
Oh, I enjoy the ranting to an extent as much as the next guy...and am not just here to talk about ME (serious) or my many projects. I am always interested to see what other writers are up to and doing to further their careers.
This is also a great way to pick up an idea or tip on how to go forward yourself. Alot of the PA stuff is a waste of time, but once the membrane is passed through, better waters are ahead.
Trust me, I make no claim to have the answers. I still stumble through interesting pub experiences....heh...some rather interesting....ya meet ALOT of good folks, bad folks and just weird folks.
Someday we will swap stalker stories. That will make for a funny thread. |
Gloria Marlow
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
648
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 07:21 am: | |
It's all about moving on. Once you get over it, and you will, check out the other places here. We've actually managed to have many, many conversations without PA being mentioned. Somewhere on this site, is a section where we took Sol Stein's book on writing and began going through it chapter by chapter...very informative. Although, it may be archived, I don't know. Also, everyone here is always willing to help critique works in progress, including synopsises (sp?) and query letters.
I have to say that the people here are very good at helping you through your stages as a writer.
Of course, we don't always see eye-to-eye on everything, but I have never known anything but respect and honesty here.
Anyway, once you're ready, feel free to look around, I think you'll find just about any place on the site more enjoyable and useful than this particular one. It's like the birthing room, I guess. All the pain and travail is done here. The rest of the site is all about growing and living. |
Todd Hunter
Unity Member
Post Number:
1215
Registered: 02-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 07:31 am: | |
And when the wound is fresh, it's hard to talk about anything but PA...
Steve, I hope I never have to swap stalker stories with you...
That would be a rather one-sided discussion, I think...
(I hope) |
Publius2 (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 204.30.131.240
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 09:22 am: | |
"I really like Willem Meiners AND Larry Clopper."
Well then, they'll be gald to see you on visiting day at Leavenworth. That's where the federal fraud criminals are housed. No saw blades now, just mincemeat pie. |
C. E. Winterland
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
1375
Registered: 06-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 10:57 am: | |
Diana, welcome to the forum.
And in case I never said it before, Lynn, welcome as well. Lynn, you may consider registering - it's free, afterall, and opens up other topics here.
Actually, we've had quite a few new registrants in the last week. Welcome to all of you!
CEW |
Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
924
Registered: 06-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 11:12 am: | |
Publius2,
That last remark about a person who recently posted and liking Meiners and Clopper was totally out of line, guy. I know who posted that message, and it seems OK to me, if that person likes whomever they want to like. Just because you like someone as a person, doesn't mean that you uphold and feel obliged to want to do everything that they do or even condone all that they stand for. Birds of a feather do NOT always flock together, some are put there by reasons that we may not always be understanding of. So, lighten up, that person has their own reasons for liking the two men in question and that doesn't mean that s/he should be harrassed or intimidated on this board. This person who posted that would have no physical relationship to the COMPANY or its PRACTICES other than that of a writer (as most of us are), thus no reason to be interred (if that is what happens) with any of the company.
I am equally sure that this person is understnding and will not cast aspersions and stones at those of us here who have different views or motives in our relationships with Meiners and Clopper.
Claudia |
priceless1 (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 68.96.86.244
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 11:27 am: | |
"And in case I never said it before, Lynn, welcome as well. Lynn, you may consider registering"
C.E., thank you for your welcome. I will definitely register.
Claudia, thank you for your comments about Desessarts' post. This particular individual is one of the most well-reasoned intelligent beings I know and does not deserve anything but our respect. |
Publius2 (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 204.30.131.240
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 12:13 pm: | |
Who said they would be interred with the two businessmen? I think there is a need for solid reasoning here. Different views can include both liking them as people, while ignoring the fact they are crooks ripping off legions of writers including you.
It's just that reasonable people wouldn't agree with that dicotomy. In the free market of ideas all ideas are open to scutiny, otherwise it's not all that free is it? |
Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
929
Registered: 06-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 12:31 pm: | |
Sorry that I misconstrued your post Pub... after re-reading it, I see my mistake. You did not say anything about being interred, and were only referencing visiting them there.
I sort of really like to think that anyone can like someone, even though they don't always like everything that that person does or thinks. I try to be open minded about where people are coming from and make up my mind about them as people not based on things I know about them professionally. I have had, a long time ago, some discourse with Mr. Meiners, and he is a very personable, intelligent person, or at least he was in my dealings with him. Maybe it was motive, at the time, on his part, that made him want to be that way to me, but it doesn't diminish the fact that he made a good impression on me then. I think, if I were to meet him on the street, and not know who he was or what he does in the company of PA, that I would really like him. I don't know Clopper at all, but understand that he is equally intelligent. I like intelligence in many of the various forms it show up as. That is one of the things that really impresses me. Perhaps this person who wrote the post that we are debating about, likes the same kind of people who display an innate intelligence, and also the abilities to get things done, even though some of those things are not to their explicit liking.
Heavens, IF the only people I like or respected were people who held the same views as I do, my world would be terribly limited and I would not have the ability to grow myself, and become more understanding or compassionate.
Claudia |
keviny (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 24.171.65.80
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 03:10 pm: | |
I'm in the banned group as well. But what I find funny is, after an email to author support they send the reply that I was not banned, that it was an error which happens time to time. They said they would replace it, but only time will tell. I won't post over there but to try and sqaush some of the lies that is being spewed. I also find it funny that HB was saying that this post was not the only reason I was banned, that my language has become racey lately. That he was going to miss me and maybe I could get back on later if I tried. After that post I received the email from AST.
As forthe banquet. There were about three hundred people there and three lines for people to get their own food. Not to mention the one bar for everybody.
Kevin |
Publius2 (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 65.54.98.103
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 05:57 pm: | |
That reminds me of the line "He's a nice guy except when he's drunk and beats me." I'm not liberal enough to abide that. Con men are personable and slick, that's in the job description. He's taken thousands for a ride they didn't need or deserve, but they bought him two houses. I'm sure he's down right cheery about it. |
D.R. Bennett
Awareness Member
Post Number:
40
Registered: 05-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 07:47 pm: | |
Noonecares...
Let me save you if you wish. IAM the shaman of life, sex, death, and re-generation.
Call me if you're serious about moving forward, instead of here, and backward.
IT'S ALL THE SAME.
MYSTIC.
NO JOKE. (1) 480-474-8211.
If you prank call me I will listen and ask you why you prank called me.
LIFE IS ABOUT FUN AND DEATH. LET'S DIE LIVING.
http://www.drbennett.2ya.com
http://www.drbennett.2ya.com |
Gloria Marlow
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
685
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 08:16 pm: | |
Are you serious?
Self-medicating is never a good idea.
(Message edited by gloria on March 15, 2004) |
Anonymous PA Author (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 68.64.208.14
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 12:15 am: | |
Lynn,
Have I told you that I love you? I believe you know who this is, I am still afraid I guess of HB's rants and will keep myself anonymous for awhile.
Diana, your car was much safer than the first one I was in (lol)
About the banquet. I did get one small plate of pasta but could not find a fork lol! Diana offered me hers, but I was so ticked at paying so much that I couldn't eat. And why was there a pool?
The fire alarm was nice because it gave us a chance to get out of there.
I met HB at the conference and I went up to shake his hand but he treated me like I was Satan. I guess he doesn't like me. |
DaveKuzminski (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 169.134.240.8
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 12:06 pm: | |
I would like to announce that I am available to accept writer clients from anywhere in the world who feel they have been harmed by the practices of Publish America, AmErica House, Erica House, or any related organization, whether by libel, breach of contract, abusive business practices, or otherwise. I am an attorney with 25 years of experience and a writer and editor with 40 years of the same. I have been working with and represent Dave Kuzminski in this matter at this time. If you wish further details, please contact me.
Eric Biggs ebqatz@msn.com
Santa Fe, New Mexico
Speaking for myself, I welcome those of you who are new here and wish you success with your writing.
Dave Kuzminski, Editor
Preditors & Editors (tm) |
Guest (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 208.59.124.143
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 01:43 pm: | |
Publish America has always upheld their end of the contract with me. I have never experienced libel, a breach of contract, abusive business practices towards me, or otherwise. They have gone beyond what I expected and have helped me further my career as a writer.
I know there are people here who have complaints about Publish America. I hope you will not be mad at me for saying I haven't had problems. I wish you all well, and hope that your writing careers are a great success.
However, in recent days I have seen abuse and libel from a certain author's rantings that sickens me. |
Gloria Marlow
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
693
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 01:49 pm: | |
Guest, Of course no one will be mad at you for saying what is true for you. Welcome. |
OhDear (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 68.63.93.167
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 01:55 pm: | |
Yeah, Guest, HB made us a little queasy too.
Congratulations on having a good experience with PA. I am sure you are not alone. PA isn't evil incarnate -- they are like a lot of the vanily presses, a bit less than totally upfront about what to expect, but there is plenty of documentation online to prepare folks for exactly what to expect. It sounds like you investigated and made a sound informed choice. That's a lot easier to do now than it once was because there's a lot more information available.
I hope you continue to have a good experience -- and congratulations on your book. You know, a lot of folks think about writing a book and a small portion even begin one. You wrote one and pursued getting it in print. Congratulations. Nothing feels the same as holding your first book with your name on it. I haven't experienced that with PA, but I have experienced it. It makes you want to carry it around and shove it under the noses of folks.
Even today, I get a thrill every time I see my name in print and know many many people will be getting pleasure from the adventure that begins in my head. So -- congratulations. I hope the experiences that lay ahead are equally as rewarding. |
Publius2 (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 130.166.75.92
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 03:00 pm: | |
PA is the only vanity press that ISN'T upfront about what they are. That message is easier to read now than a year ago because some contributed the knowledge base on the subject. They're still shiiling people though every day. That's the real shame in this. |
Linda Alexander
Awareness Member
Post Number:
1
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 08:49 pm: | |
Publius2:
Yes, most definitely, one CAN like a person w/o liking what they do. It's the ol', "Love the sinner, hate the sin" concept. And I, as has been said by another on this BB, have personally experienced no libel, no breach of contract, no abusive business practices towards ME. I have, however, seen these things done repeatedly to others. I don't condone it. I, in fact, find it reprehensible. I'm awaiting my banishment any moment. Seriously. But the folks who have directly felt that PA hand of wrath know who they are, & they're aware that I've stood up for them, publicly.
I grew up w/such a person as you characterize in one of your memos, the "he's a nice guy but he beats me" category. I wasn't physically beaten, but emotionally knocked down over & over. Believe me, I KNOW the difference. And since I've no personal point of reference to state w/conviction, or deny, that PA owners are/aren't of that ilk, I don't feel comfortable making any such comments. I don't believe in making disparaging remarks about ANYONE in public. I wouldn't do it about that person I grew up w/, & I won't begin to do it about men that I know only professionally.
Ya know, everyone loves someone, & every someone is loved by someone else. How is that so? |
Chico McChico (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 12.19.230.80
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 09:48 pm: | |
Linda -
I hope you got my email about why I was banned. |
Fred Dungan
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
628
Registered: 10-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 12:37 am: | |
"PA isn't evil incarnate -- they are like a lot of the vanily presses, a bit less than totally upfront about what to expect, but there is plenty of documentation online to prepare folks for exactly what to expect"
Publish America is a scam, pure and simple. When put to the test, they become defensive and flex their muscles. Lately, they've graduated to guns.
http://www.fdungan.com/bushwhacked.htm |
Todd Hunter
Unity Member
Post Number:
1252
Registered: 02-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 05:13 am: | |
Welcome, Linda... |
priceless1
Awareness Member
Post Number:
18
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 07:06 pm: | |
(Lynn waves fondly at Linda) Welcome! It's so nice to be able to chat again online. I've missed your smilin' face and wisdom these past few days. Well, aside from your emails, that is.
Hugs,
Lynn |
Violet Towe
Wandering Member
Post Number:
294
Registered: 03-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 07:15 pm: | |
Linda, just found all these postings prior to Publius being, well you know, and wanted to say hello and welcome.
We have loads of fun here and a bunch of great people to boot. Hang around and you'll see.
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Linda Alexander
Awareness Member
Post Number:
2
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 07:31 pm: | |
Thx, guys. Sounds like a good place to be. I'll check back often.
BTW, Chico, send me another message. I've rec'd SO many messages lately about folks being banned, that I'm not sure which one you are. I think I know but. . . .
Blessings -- Linda
http://www.i-am-america.net
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BlueMonkeyBobo instead of Chico McChico, Although Chico McChico is a cool name, so if I ever need a pen name, then I already have it... (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 12.19.230.80
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 09:36 pm: | |
Anonymity be screwed.
Fractured, Baby |
keviny (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 24.171.65.80
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2004 - 03:10 pm: | |
You were banned to Bluemonkeybobo? I know who you are and I loved your site. What I read had me rolling. Sorry you were banned, but I would like to know why...if that's not a problem. Send me an email
ayky@charter.net
Kevin |
Linda Alexander
Awareness Member
Post Number:
6
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 06:30 pm: | |
Welp, since YOU said it, ie, "Anonymity be screwed." --
Ryan! I have NO idea why you were dumped. That's one of the most nonsensical things I've EVER heard.
Folks, this is a brilliant young writer. We'd all do well to keep up w/his name, be it Chico McChico, Blue Monkey Bobo . . . or the real thing. I've posted a bunch of his work to our e-zine, TCE, & will post a whole lot more -- when he sends it in. I have to pick myself up off the floor after I've read anything he writes. And that's a heckuva sight, mind you, someone picking herself up off the floor. Takes real talent.
-- Linda
http://www.i-am-america.net
http://www.authorsden.com/lindajalexander
http://www.cutting-edge-ezine.com
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