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Violet Towe
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
335
Registered: 03-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 09:32 am: |   |
Yep, its gone. I suppose someone over there must still be reading this board, or saw it on the writers.net site and told her to knock it off.
Everyone has thier opinion, and in mine, she was wrong to make fun of those who want to write but simply can't get the words on paper as they should be.
To me its about like making fun of how someone talks, as in Southern talk like me. We Southerners has been made fun of about the way we talk for years. It hurts, pure and simple.
I'll give her the benefit of a doubt that she was simply having a little fun. But then I wonder, how much fun would it be if the person who sent those things to her in all hopes of being good enough to get published? The sword cuts both ways, and its a sharp one.
I think Christine is a sweet person, exchanged many emails with her and she has always been so very nice in every way. I think this is one reason that her little 'journal' upset me so bad. She's above that, I don't care who she works for. |
Gloria Marlow
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
801
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 09:57 am: | |
This is going to sound horrid, but I've already ticked people off so I might as well go whole hog:
NOT EVERYONE'S WRITING IS GOOD ENOUGH TO BE PUBLISHED!!!
I'm actually glad to know they don't publish everything that comes across their desk and that someone at least takes time to realize when a book is very similar to a bestselling book.
Not everyone who wants to be a writer can be a writer. Some people really don't have that urge to write we all have, they don't have a story to tell or a message to spread, or whatever drove us to wrote. Some see a quick buck, and, they just pick a recent bestseller or movie or whatever and write it with just name changes, etc. Or maybe they really can't write!!! You know it's not a crime to realize that some people don't have the talent to write that others do.
Everyone's so crazy about American Idol right now, so I'll use that for an example. Do you really think all of them should get a record contract? Do you really think talent shouldn't be a requirement for winning? Do you really think Simon whatever his name is and his record company are going to get sued for the way he talks about people? Do you really want to have to listen to some of those voices howling over your radio speakers?
Actually, people are sometimes very different at home than they are at work. What you saw on her website was the real Christina, that was her downtime, her time to be herself. Or, at least, that's my opinion.
But hey, it's a moot point now, it's gone and everyone can feel proud that they made a difference today. If you're lucky, maybe it even cost her her job.
P.S. --- Violet, Even my family, who are all southern, have always made fun of my drawl.
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Claudia Turner VanLydegraf
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
1047
Registered: 06-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 09:59 am: | |
I wasn't gonna weigh in on this one, BUT, somehow I feel that I must. The law is completely clear about this in many areas. She is in a position of trust and confidence when a person sends in a MS to PA and she reads it. That alone, puts the website and her up to scrutiny. She had absolutely no right in the world to put people's hard, or not so hard work out and to ridicule it in the process. IF PA doesn't want the MS, then it is up to her to send it back to that person with whatever notation she feels like putting on it, and any other notations that someone else in the company puts on it also. However, it is NOT polite, professional, courteous, STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, to post that work of someone else's without their permission to a public website and ridicule it for all the world to see, and have PA's name attached to that website in any manner, or form, as it was attached in several places.
It clearly shows a great amount of disrespect for those would be authors and their work, whether or not the work was good enough or grammatically correct, is not our call, or even her call on a public forum for the whole world to see. Privately, yes it is her call, and her job to say something about it DIRECTLY to the Author of said work, but NOT to the WHOLE WORLD via ridicule.
Yes, LA, we all put things up on the web, but I don't think it is with the intention of publicly ridiculing that author in the process. We can discuss things with honesty and integrity, and hopefully, some amount of compassion, about those postings that we find, BUT, our position is not with a company that is asking for and receiving submissions of someone else's lifetime work or hopes and dreams, with the hopes from that submission made by that author of being made into a book. Talking to your husband or mate or even your co-workers about something that came across your desk that day or into the hospital that day, is NOT the same as publicly ridiculing someone with their OWN words on a world-wide forum where their work is prominetly displayed for others to have a go at it also. I noticed that she did NOT invite the Authors of said pieces to respond or make comment.
I think it was very juvenile and disrespectful of the position she holds. If she has no more professionalism than that, or maturity than that shows, what is she doing on a position as Acquisitions Editor or whatever she is. She should be nothing more than a copyperson with that degree of intelligence, in as much as she isn't foresighted enough to see the possible consequences of her actions. Plus, IF my words were on that site, and she had put them there, I would have every attorney I could find getting ready to hang her and PA from the tallest tree I could find.
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LaurieAnne
Unity Member
Post Number:
1304
Registered: 12-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 10:38 am: | |
Claudia,
You are correct, and I stated as much in my above post, that it is highly unprofessional and unethical to post such on a world-accessible site. It shouldn't be on the net at all.
LA
LaurieAnne
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Violet Towe
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
336
Registered: 03-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 11:02 am: | |
Gloria, I must disagree with you when you said:
Actually, people are sometimes very different at home than they are at work. What you saw on her website was the real Christina, that was her downtime, her time to be herself. Or, at least, that's my opinion.
Actually, people are sometimes very different at home than they are at work. What you saw on her website was the real Christina, that was her downtime, her time to be herself. Or, at least, that's my opinion.
When she posted those queries and manuscripts on her web site, she turned it from being her personal web site to that of Publish America's web site. She is the acquistion editor for PA and it is her job to accept or decline each submission, and those queries and manuscripts (which I will admit were pretty awful) she posted to her site were not her property but that of the author and PA, therefore, over stepping the boundry.
LA, I desagree with you in what you have said as well when you stated:
Matter of fact, how many of you don't take your experiences and turn them into some sort of writing? Fiction, non-fiction...does it matter? How many of you have that "life story" sitting on the back burner, with intimate details concerning other people? How many of you have purchased a book simply to read all the dirt about someone else, whether it was authorized to be written or not.
You're in the book publishing business, and you know if a writer writes a non-fiction book using someone's REAL name, that author must FIRST get a release from that person in order to use their ture name. The only way around that is to write a book as FICTION based on FACT, therefore, changing the names of the people concerned.
Yes, there are many unauthorized autobrigopheries out there, this means the person which that book was written about did NOT give their permission for the book to be wrote, and a disclaimer MUST be put in the book stating such.
It is one thing to go home and talk to your husband and such about something that has not been printed, quite another to post your words on an open forum.
Again, if Christine had kept this her personal journal nothing would have been wrong with that. In fact I found the bit about her boyfriend wrecking his car interesting and even funny to an extent. But, she didn't do that. It matters not how poorly a person writes, once it is handed over to the acquistion editor the author of those works turst that the editor will keep his/her writing between the editor and the writer. |
Gloria Marlow
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
802
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 11:15 am: | |
Again, I don't know the why's of her having a journal on her website. Maybe it's all the reality shows on television that make people really think every one in the world wants to hear events in their life or their opinion. I don't know. I don't think making fun of the writers was right, but I don't think it was exactly wrong either, nor illegal. However, I didn't want to see the girl made fun of over here either.
I do think, however, that many reactions would be different if another company had a board up with "oops's" or "bloopers".
But, again, her board, truthfully had nothing to do with a company, but rather it was about her.
Anyway, I guess it really doesn't matter anyway. |
Gloria Marlow
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
803
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 11:25 am: | |
Okay, I am about to hazard a guess that I missed something completely on that website...What queries and manuscripts? All I could see were her journal entries, her pictures, etc. None of the other links brought anything up. Is that where you all saw these things? Did I miss that completely? I thought those were links she hadn't completed...and I thought she must be going to offer advice on how to write/format them. Or that she was going to post her queries or manuscripts...she did say she wanted to write children's books.
So, I suppose I should have just stuck by my original post that this thread was mean to make fun of her.
I didn't realize she had queries or manuscripts up on the board. That was most certainly unethical and wrong. I thought you all were talking about her journal entries where she talked about "rip-offs" and also where she talked about people writing in to ask what a "manuscript" was etc.
So, Here I am eating crow about all but my first post...I stand by the fact that one. The others, if there were manuscripts posted on the internet that she didn't write, I back off from some. Those should be protected. Whole manuscripts?
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Violet Towe
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
337
Registered: 03-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 11:43 am: | |
Gloria, you didn't get to read the queries and manuscripts? Those really were a treat, she had a whole slew of them out there. Did you read about her boyfriends wreck?
Oh, let me tell you, if you didn't get to read some of those queries and manuscripts you missed out on one great moment. I KNOW why Christine posted those there, she just went about it the wrong way. She wanted to share with the public how hard and sometimes funny her job could be.
Case in point: One of the messages she received from a writer started out pretty well. He/she wrote a couple of lines trying to tell her about his/her story and botched it really bad. He/she must have gotten really confused cause the last couple of lines with something like this:
"Just read me damn manuscript! I know you will publish it once you read the damn thing! Just read the damn thing!"
I almost fell out of my chair laughing. I really do believe she could have had a good thing going for her if she HAD went about it a different way. I disagree with her snyde remarks to the writer, but I think the public really does want to see what an acquistion editor goes through to reach the good stuff.
Another of the manuscripts had the begaining of EVERY word with a capitol. It was priceless. Like I have stated, if it was not for her snyde remarks back to those terrible writers I would have loved to gone back and read more. |
Gloria Marlow
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
805
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 12:05 pm: | |
I did see something about that query in the journal. I did not read about her boyfriend or really much else of her personal goings on, because I was mostly looking for references to her job.
The personal stuff far, far outweighed the job stuff in those entries. That's why I couldn't understand that you all would be so upset. Although, at first, I suppose no one was really upset, they just thought it was funny.
Again, I did not realize there were whole manuscripts on the site. While I don't think queries are all that important, manuscripts most definitely should be protected property and I suppose that could very well be why the site is gone.
Wait, it does seem like I saw a sample chapter of one of the manuscripts, the one about the lavendar bathtub, etc. And I stand by my guns that if any of us had read that from a person from another company as an example of what not to send to them, we would have thought it funny.
Plus, one more thought, since she didn't give the author's names with her opinion, I just don't see that she could be ruining their future with other companies as someone said earlier.
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mark dirschel
Hunger Member
Post Number:
96
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: 
Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 12:25 pm: | |
was there a name mentioned? i didn't see one. the only way for someone to be identified from what was posted on that site would be for him or her to stand up and become suddenly recognized cuz there sure wasn't anyone pinpointed in the journal. for all anyone knows in a legal sense - these could have been constructed right while she sat at her computer.
someone said something about me not being so mellow if MY book was posted there - what kind of statement is that? my book has comments posted about in on various public boards and even if words were posted with negative connotations attached - so what? how does that affect me?
this is a live journal posted under an obscure name. kids use these live journal things today. it's a part of modern life. i read some of the queries or synopses, whatever they were. they were bland and boring - to me. i wouldn't have bought a book with that on the cover. if you worked your way through them, good for you. but that's not even the point. if i tell you - i took care of a patient yesterday who picked holes in her face because she was coming down from a heroin high - are you going to tell me that's illegal for me to share? spare me. you're grasping at straws. if you had something against nurses or health care in general, you might hammer away at that but it'd still boil down to the same thing - nothing. ethically, it would depend on how much was revealed. legally, there's nothing. morally - well, that would depend on your belief system versus my own. ethical, legal and moral don't always follow the same tract.
tell you what, next time you decide to speak about something you read or someone you met and the person or writer of the material you're speaking of is not right there to defend his or her position, think back on this post. don't be a hypocrite.
- mark
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mark dirschel
Hunger Member
Post Number:
97
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 12:29 pm: | |
there were no manuscripts printed. i use the word manuscript in relation to an actual book. there were queries and synopses.
- mark |
Violet Towe
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
338
Registered: 03-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 12:45 pm: | |
Mark, I don't know who you are talking to since you did not put a name to your post, but your last remark rings true at what folks has said here regarding the boards at the other place. The one difference here vs there, she CAN come here and post her messages, whereas not so for some folks at the other board.
I still say, I understand what she was trying to do, but, she went about it the wrong way. No, I did NOT read through all those queries nor manuscripts, simply did not make any sense to me what was written.
On the other hand, the person who wrote those things (no, she did not mention names) really believed in their ability to write, of course they were bad, even very bad, still, a simply 'no thanks' would have done just as good rather than the hurtful things that was sent to the author of those works.
The hurtful things that was sent to the author was the only thing I had a problem with. Again, like I have stated above a couple of times, Christine is above that. She has always been kind to me in every email I have ever received from her and I wonder how those poor people felt when they read her reply to them. Be it a good writer or a bad one, they still have feelings, why should anyone trample on them?
I don't know why you sound so mad (maybe you're not, all I can do is read your words, not the sound of those words) but to call the folks over here 'a hypocrite' is going way out of bound.
That's just my opinion. |
Gloria Marlow
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
806
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 01:43 pm: | |
So, there were or were not manuscripts--as in actual, finished books-- that were sent to her? Is everything we're discussing from the journal? Or is some of it from somewhere else on the site?
And why really has this caused such an uproar?
If everything were as illegal and grounds for lawsuits as people think they are, the courts would be overflowing worse than they already are.
Regardless of how right or wrong she was, I hate to see anything that makes us look like "PA stalkers" who feel that everything even remotely dealing with PA is a target for our contempt and ridicule.
I just think sometimes information crosses the line to pure spite...and, in my opinion, this did just that.
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priceless1
Awareness Member
Post Number:
49
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 02:05 pm: | |
Wow. I find the whole thing in bad taste and unprofessional. Abusing one's position as acquisitions editor to ridicule a query or submission in a public forum reduces her and her company's credibility. Every submission should be treated with honor and respect. Someone has taken the time and passion to put their thoughts to paper, no matter how poorly done, and for one in a position of authority to treat that work in such a cavalier manner is demeaning. I didn't read the site since it appears to have been pulled, thankfully.
Lynn
Lynn
lynnprice.net
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Laurel Johnson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2801
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 02:31 pm: | |
Sheryl - don't be upset. This is pretty much a typical debate where everyone weighs in with their opinions. We all have strong feelings about many different things.
One thing that came to mind was that person's journal put to rest the old debate that PA will publish anything. Evidently they don't.
We who frequent this board disagree on many subjects, sometimes quite passionately. That is the democratic way. Then it dies down and we move on to something else.
I read all the posts but my one track mind has not changed. The person is privy to private info and it should not be spread all over the internet for people to see.
When I was a young nurse a doctor came in to make rounds and was entertaining everyone with info about a patient he had seen that day. No names were mentioned, but he told everyone where the woman had hickeys and other personal things. It was all quite a joke.....until the woman exited a patient room across from the nurses station. She stood at the desk, looking the doctor in the eye, and finally said, "You will be hearing from my lawyer." He did, in spades, and settled out of court for telling personal things loud enough for half the hospital to hear. It's a different scenario but similar circumstances - talking out of turn, as that PA staffer did. |
mark dirschel
Hunger Member
Post Number:
98
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 03:08 pm: | |
violet -
i didn't post a name because i wasn't addressing only one person. since you addressed me, i'll address you. the discussion of this message board versus the pa board is a completely different topic. anyone can post a comment on the live journal and you can do it specifically, by post.
agreeing or not agreeing with the way someone handles information, again, is a personal opinion. i have nothing to say about your opinion. i do have something to say with the way this thread started off. it started off as an attack on a kid simply because she's associated with pa. THAT was wrong. you continue to say that manuscripts were posted in her journal - there weren't. queries and synopses only, nothing more. and yes, there was that asinine letter she received from someone who refused to tell her about the book and said something to the effect of - just read the damn thing and then we'll talk about it. how can someone who works in acquisitions NOT have that affect her in some way? further, someone who addresses a company while seeking publication in such a manner SHOULD be called on his or her attitude. too bad if feelings get hurt. if you're gonna act like a dope, one should expect to be treated like one. posting stuff like this blows off steam and there's nothing wrong with blowing off steam.
as far as hurtful things sent to a writer? the only thing i remember her posting about a response sent had to do with an obscure poem she received. she mailed a poem back for a response. it wasn't hurtful - i didn't think so anyway. if i remember correctly, she asked the person to summarize the work he or she wanted christina to review and then re-submit. it was kinda playful, if nothing else. and if some feelings did get hurt - hey, welcome to the real world. maybe some of the people who sent that stuff will pull their heads out of their a-ses and construct something more formal.
i'm not mad, violet. i visit here every so often and usually i find some well balanced discussions - aside from the posts dealing with pa. this one, though - c'mon. this was an attack on someone for being a kid, plain and simple. she works for a company disliked by sheryl. that was the impetus behind the inspiration for this post.
- mark
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mark dirschel
Hunger Member
Post Number:
99
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 03:11 pm: | |
and laurel -
that woman called attention to herself. the doctor did not identify who she was.
- mark |
Kevin Yarbrough
Hunger Member
Post Number:
56
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 03:53 pm: | |
I met Christina at the convention and I thought she was great. I liked her and talked to her for awhile at the book signing. I didn't read the journal because it was pulled, so I'm not going to weight in on this. If it was right or wrong, I don't know, didn't read it, but she as a person is great.
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Gloria Marlow
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
807
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 04:51 pm: | |
This thread turned into an argument on whether she had the right, legal, moral or ethical, to post such things on her website.
I doubt seriously that was the intention when it was started. I think the intention was to ridicule her, Christina, the person. Then, maybe when people realized how mean and petty that was, it became an "oh no, look how wrong what she was doing is". Yeah, okay, but weren't you doing the same thing?
And yes I do understand the trust issue, and I don't know that there is any violation of trust there, but if there is, I don't think she violated it in such a way that it really injured anyone. I have a website and I think I could get on there and tell anyone about the bad day I had, "I had a migraine, and a client called wanting to have her ex-husband arrested because he dressed their daughter in pink overalls instead of green before returning her from visitation, and he was three minutes late. My headache got worse just listening to her whine." (You may think that sounds far fetched, but sadly it's not.) I have to abide by the same attorney-client privilege that the attorney does. Can I really not say that because it would be a breach of trust? That was basically
what this girl was doing, talking about her day and interjecting little tidbits. I doubt any of them are verbatim what was written since she apparently wrote this at home at night and I doubt she carried all the query letters and synopsises home with her each night.
We have two or three publishers here on our site and I can't believe that if one of them came on and said, "This is what you don't want to write as a query letter. 'Just read the damn thing, then we'll talk.'", and said they received one like that we wouldn't have found that funny.
We have firmly established that no manuscripts were posted, right?
Gloria
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Laurel Johnson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2803
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 04:53 pm: | |
You are so right, Mark. But that did not stop her lawyer from deposing everyone at the nurses station, patients across the hall, and getting her a six figure out of court settlement. We never know who will be watching or listening. |
mark dirschel
Wandering Member
Post Number:
102
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 05:23 pm: | |
absolutely you're right - we never know who will be listening. if the doc had told the story in the break room, would that have made it all right? this woman wasn't so horrified that she missed the smell of money. she knew to conact a lawyer to get that money cuz that's what lawyers do - especially in this country. getting money doesn't mean law was broken. a lawyer that smells money is like a shark finding a bloody fish after not eating for days and they use the law to scare people. nurses and doctors have been brow-beaten til we're black and blue about not breaching a patient's confidentiality. it wasn't breached. a lawyer will take a scenario like that and f- with peoples' heads. what law did that doctor break? none. he might very well have been talking about a patient in his private practice.
the settlement was out of court so we really don't know what the legal ruling would have been. the hospital may have opted for out of court to keep their name out of the paper. we don't know.
and gloria - no. there were NO manuscripts posted.
- mark |
Sheryl Nantus
Awareness Member
Post Number:
31
Registered: 02-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 05:37 pm: | |
one last comment before I leave this board:
I find it interesting that everyone wants to put some sort of motive behind me posting this, from an abnormal obsession with PA to just wanting to be plain mean.
let me explain, although I doubt any of the naysayers will believe me - too bad.
I am NOT obsessed with bringing PA down - if anyone does their homework, I rarely post and what I have posted has been more in support of PA authors going their own way. I have not been part of any campaign to charge around and attack PA. I actually have my own life and have moved away from my bad time with PA. It can be done, believe me. I don't sit around the house all day and masturbate to images of PA going up in flames, despite what some of you might think. Go ahead and find my posts, I dare you. I use my real name because I stand behind what I write.
AND I was NOT the one who found this link. It was over at writers.net where it received a very different response than here, I suspect because they're not as sensitive about PA as this place seems to have become.
my reasons were simple - I was shocked and dismayed at this girl putting up EXCERPTS and QUERIES that she had received in her job. It's one thing to allude to them through gossipy comments, like "I can't believe I received yet another Star Wars knockoff today!" but she was actively posting excerpts of the query letter sent to her by writers. And mocking them as well.
I used to WORK in publishing at Penguin Books Canada as an Editorial Secretary. And I promise you that if LJ had been accessible at that time and I had proceeded to publish excerpts and query letters on my site my job would have been gone in a heartbeat. It's called being professional and ethical about your work. People are sending you their heartfelt feelings that they've put down on paper - sometimes good, sometimes bad. But it is NOT nice to repeat them verbatim on a public website. And no, it is NOT the same as just writing something like "Man, I blew off three Nora Roberts wannabees today!" If I had been one of those rejected by her and found that site, how do you think I would feel? How would YOU feel? Not only do you get a nice rejection slip, but now you're being mocked on a board by an EDITOR from the publishing house - how does that make you feel about submitting to anyone else? Or continuing to write, even?
how any of you can justify this is beyond my comprehension and has certainly put me off this board for the future - we're supposed to forgive her because she works for PA and don't want to be seen as bashing? I can promise you that if she had worked for Random House or Bantam I would have been just as fast to post the information here for any of you who would be dealing WITH those publishers in the future.
but, of course... for those of you who want to see conspiracy and plots, none of this matters to you - it's all just another huge plot to bring PA down, yatta yatta yatta. You'll denounce me as just mean-spirited and obsessed and an angry woman with an axe to grind because, heck... I can't just be doing this because I think it's WRONG for someone to mock someone else... there's always a motive; always some sort of theory behind everything. You can't just be doing things because it's the right thing to do, these days.
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mark dirschel
Wandering Member
Post Number:
103
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 05:57 pm: | |
Sheryl Nantus
Awareness Member
Post Number: 27
Registered: 02-2004
Rating:
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Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 06:26 pm:
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http://home.earthlink.net/~bignerpie/
click on the LiveJournal link... believe it or not, she's an editor over at PublishAmerica...
*falls down laughing*
oh, the pain...
:D
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that's shocked and dismayed? you're the only one that even mentioned pa.
and spare me the "i'm being persecuted for being a saint" routine. drama ain't your thing. no reason you should leave just because you weren't wholly embraced for wanting to throw another dagger at pa. i'm not even a regular here and if you're leaving on my account, don't bother. i'll fade in a bit like i always do. i'm just glad i stopped here to see this pathetic display of venom. and yeah, that's what it was.
- mark |
Gloria Marlow
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
809
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 06:20 pm: | |
Again, I say if that had been the original tone or message of your post, I would never have said it was mean. However,
***}click on the LiveJournal link... believe it or not, she's an editor over at PublishAmerica...
*falls down laughing*
oh, the pain... ***
That did not tell me that you were upset by what she was doing. It told me you thought she was deserving of your ridicule. When I went to the site, I assumed it was because of her posts, personality, whatever. No one mentioned that you were offended by her making fun of writers, etc. That is why I said it was mean.
I would have said the same thing to anyone who posted it. I know you don't post here often, and I feel bad that I may have put you off of this board. I assure you my stance had nothing to do with my feelings or opinions about PA, either good or bad...My stance had to do with a person.
I don't understand what good it did anyone...but if you truly feel you were doing the right thing, I'm glad. I don't know who it helped, but I'm positive it probably hurt someone.
Again, I notice this alluding to people, myself I would assume, not wanting to be seen as PA bashers. What the heck is up with that? I don't want to be seen as any kind of basher. Is that wrong? I'll stand up and give my opinion when it's necessary. I've given my opinion here plenty of times on things, but my opinion will not change on something simply because it would make PA look bad or good. My opinion is my opinion. And I think almost everyone else agreed with you, so it is obviously my opinion that upset you so badly that you aren't coming back. Again, I'm sorry about that, but I stand by it just the same.
I refuse to get roped into another discussion on PA...while I appreciate that this is a board where new bannee's or whatever can come and vent their frustration, etc. without fear of retaliation from the people here, I truly don't want to talk about PA anymore.
Gloria}
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Steven Shrewsbury
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
637
Registered: 04-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 06:50 pm: | |
Halla-freakin'LUYA GLORIA.
PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Can anyone else say along with me BORED TO F&*K*NG TEARS WITH IT????
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Violet Towe
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
340
Registered: 03-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 06:53 pm: | |
I've been sitting here thinking that I may have made a mistake when I said that I have exchanged several email with Chrisine, it wasn't her, it was that sweet Erica with whom I have exchanged many kind and sweet emails with.
Erica, not Christine. I wonder just where my mind is some days. Can I use age as an excuse for this one? I knew the name Christine didn't sound right, just couldn't get the right name in this brain of mine.
Now I am straight, it was ERICA, now there's a sweetheart of a person. I love that girl and I don't care WHO she works for. Sure wish I could hear from her again sometimes, you know, just to talk about nothing just talk. |
mark dirschel
Wandering Member
Post Number:
105
Registered: 01-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 07:24 pm: | |
sure, steve. plenty of people are bored with it. sometimes, i'm so bored with hearing people sling sh-t at them, i want to smash my internet service and never get on line again. that doesn't mean i won't react if i feel it's necessary, though.
i'm surprised you didn't just click out when you realized this had something to do with pa. i've heard you say time and again you were bored to tears with it. i'm sure you have your own say when something gets your goat, and that's fine. chances are - when you do, there will be others who don't feel the need to do the same. life stuff, man. we all deal with what our emotions want us to deal with and stay away from the stuff that bugs us.
- mark |
Laurel Johnson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2804
Registered: 01-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 07:26 pm: | |
I did not attach any motive to what you said Sheryl. I'm sorry you feel that way.
The doctor was sued, Mark. Not the hospital. The doctor settled out of court so the entire county would not know what was said. Because he knew he was wrong in what he told. But yeah, I know exactly what you mean about lawsuits and sharks circling. I was pissed at the time to be dragged into it, simply because Iwas unfortunate enough to be charting at the desk and heard what he said. |
mark dirschel
Wandering Member
Post Number:
106
Registered: 01-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 07:37 pm: | |
there are pieces that we see above the surface and pieces that come together behind closed doors. i don't know the case, laurel but i've heard of similar happenings before. the doctor was sued, he works in the hospital. who knows what sort of pressure he was receiving outside the realm of what was visible? that's all i'm saying.
sorry you got dragged into it. that sort of stuff is never fun.
- mark |
priceless1
Awareness Member
Post Number:
50
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 08:07 pm: | |
Whoa. Maybe I just need a break from boards altogether. To see people attacking others for having an opinion strikes a bit close to home. I'm not taking sides here, but I sure hate to see this going on over here.
Lynn
Lynn
lynnprice.net
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mark dirschel
Wandering Member
Post Number:
107
Registered: 01-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 08:30 pm: | |
wherever there are differing opinons, there will always be fuel for arguments, lynn. that's just life 101.
hello, by the way.
- mark |
priceless1
Hunger Member
Post Number:
51
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 08:36 pm: | |
Hey, Mark, good to...uh..see you. We did finish all that wine you bought, by the way...
I agree that there will always be differing opinions, and I have no problem with that at all. It's the type of fuel that I find overwhelming. I'm the type who finds setting out rabid dogs to chew off one's foot counterproductive to making a point. Waaay been there, sooo done that.
Lynn
Lynn
lynnprice.net
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Gloria Marlow
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
810
Registered: 04-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 08:40 pm: | |
Okay, no one has to leave. I'm bowing out of this one. I probably should have kept my mouth shut on this one to begin with. It has gotten way out of hand.
Lynn, I've never seen/felt it exactly this way on this board before. It will pass.
I don't care if everyone else wants to talk PA forever. I just don't really want to personally talk about it anymore. Three years of it is enough. I've said all there is for me to say about it. If anyone wants my opinion or an account of my experience, they can ask me specifically. As they say, there's nothing new under the sun. Every new person here tells a story we've all heard and/or experienced. I don't begrudge anyone their chance to vent or cry or whatever. If I hadn't been able to a few years ago, I would have lost my mind.
Sheryl, I apologize to you. I should have e-mailed you privately and told you how mean I thought laughing at that girl was. That would have prevented this whole thread.
I will be honest with you and say that I think this is the only part of this site that many people visit and one of my motives in posting here instead of privately was that I wanted people to know I wasn't in on the joke. It's kind of like when a group is laughing at someone and you're standing with them, not really joined in, but not really not joining in. The person who is the butt of the joke comes up and how does he or she know you weren't in on it? So, I guess I just wanted this girl or whoever may have been reading this site, to know that everyone wasn't joining in to laugh at her. I guess my motive were't as pure as they could have been, because I did think about that before I posted my message. How yours and Violet's comments would look to people outside the board. Just to clarify, though, it wasn't until after I read the board you gave and realized it was a personal webpage that I felt that it was mean to ridicule it.
I realize now that if I had ignored it or taken it up privately with you and Violet, it would have avoided a lot of conflict. You could have explained your position and that you felt compelled to post it here to help people and warn them, and that would have been that. I would have accepted that I took your post the wrong way and I would have kept my mouth shut about the rest.
Although, I stick by my opinions, I apologize that my post obviously started something that shouldn't have been started regardless of the opinions given.
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mark dirschel
Wandering Member
Post Number:
108
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 08:49 pm: | |
glad to hear the wine went down. it wasn't i who bought it, though. i think shannon did - who came down with me? i can't remember. my only contribution was procuring that bottle for all you lovely ladies. i had a lot of fun at the party - don't know if i ever had the chance to tell you that. thanx. and i miss seeing you at the pa board.
on the other note - everyone has their own level of tolerance for conflict. personally, i could go all day. when i do a 16 hour shift and there's a particularly nasty s-o-b on the unit, he or she is all mine.
anyway, i think i got my point across and i guess this is essentially done. good enough. ciao, all.
- mark |
D.R. Bennett
Hunger Member
Post Number:
71
Registered: 05-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 02, 2004 - 09:20 am: | |
I guess I'm going to side with Mark on this one.
What the heck is everyone talking about?
- D -
http://www.literaryagent.2ya.com
http://www.drbennett.2ya.com |
mark dirschel
Wandering Member
Post Number:
111
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 02, 2004 - 03:30 pm: | |
blindly siding can be dangerous, d.r.
the explanation can be found throughout the thread. you can't read the journal any longer cuz it's gone.
anyway - thanx for the support. have a good week-end.
- mark |
Steven Shrewsbury
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
641
Registered: 04-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 02, 2004 - 03:51 pm: | |
Usually, I don't comment much on the PA frenzy that never ceases. Every so often, it is so funny I cannot help but snap.
I usually DO NOT read the threads any more for PA PA PA PA and seldom stop by....because this PA survivor group thing is starting to wear me out.
There is an entire OTHER world out there unrelated to PA. I could care less what folks say about 'em. It is SUCH a waste of words after a bit.
I'm out.
www.stevenshrewsbury.com |
mark dirschel
Wandering Member
Post Number:
112
Registered: 01-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 02, 2004 - 05:03 pm: | |
couldn't agree with you more, steve.
couldn't agree with you more.
good luck with your writing tonight.
- mark |
D.R. Bennett
Hunger Member
Post Number:
74
Registered: 05-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 02, 2004 - 05:23 pm: | |
Wow.
Can we forget that this thread was ever started?
Let's not concentrate on other people's faults or ridicule anyone.
And simply, who cares if some lady did something.
- D.R. Bennett -
http://www.literaryagent.2ya.com
http://www.drbennett.2ya.com |
mark dirschel
Wandering Member
Post Number:
113
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 02:50 pm: | |
take it easy, d.r.
have a good week-end.
- mark |
Nancy Mehl
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
1592
Registered: 08-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 07:31 pm: | |
Sheesh.
Not happy my computer's been down.
Happy I missed this thread.
Hope everyone's still here. I never had the chance to make anyone mad!! Not fair!!! (G)
Nancy |
Todd Hunter
Unity Member
Post Number:
1361
Registered: 02-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 07:41 pm: | |
Glad to see you're back, Nancy...
I'm certain if you look hard enough, you'll still find people to make mad...
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Joy Lee Rutter
Awareness Member
Post Number:
47
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 08:03 pm: | |
You missed me Nancy! Na na na na na na!
Joy |
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