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Sheryl Nantus
Awareness Member
Post Number:
27
Registered: 02-2004
Rating: 
Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 06:26 pm: |   |
http://home.earthlink.net/~bignerpie/
click on the LiveJournal link... believe it or not, she's an editor over at PublishAmerica...
*falls down laughing*
oh, the pain...
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Violet Towe
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
332
Registered: 03-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 07:24 pm: | |
I took a look at that site, I still can't believe what I saw and read. I would fall down laughing also if it wasn't so sad. PLEASE! Is she for real? |
Perry Comer
Unity Member
Post Number:
1273
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 07:28 pm: | |
I went to the live journal - I would say they don't take EVERYTHING sent to them.
http://www.pacwriter.netfirms.com/ |
mark dirschel
Hunger Member
Post Number:
90
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 07:34 pm: | |
1.) lifted right from her site - "I...
- drive a bright teal Jeep Wrangler with swirly silver accents and huge tires.
- wear camo almost everyday.
- work in publishing as an Acquisitions Editor.
- could live off of beef jerky and Yoo Hoo.
- love correcting people on their grammar, but I rarely write or speak in proper English myself." <- pay particular attention to this.
2.) it's a journal. the first rule of a journal is - just write. who cares how it looks? at least that was the rule i grew up with.
3.) you're obsessed. why not find a hobby?
- mark
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Gloria Marlow
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
799
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: 
Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 07:56 pm: | |
Okay, people, I think this is a very mean thread, and just wanted y'all to know that. I don't try to be controversial, but this girl is just doing her job and she seems to like it. I wish I were so lucky. She is fresh and young and may just help bring about a positive change in the policies in place that need to be changed. Also, she may bring a fresh eye to the acquisitions department.
Other than her mentioning of her job in her journal, it is just a website about her. It isn't a PA website, and should be left out of any quarrel any of us may have with PA.
Don't mean to offend, just thought I would stand up and say what I thought.
Gloria |
Violet Towe
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
333
Registered: 03-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 07:57 pm: | |
Mark, are you upset at someone?
I read the whole site, wasn't impressed at why Christiana would want to post the things she did on the web. Maybe she needs to get a hobby, or maybe that is her hobby. |
mark dirschel
Hunger Member
Post Number:
91
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 08:33 pm: | |
it's not for me to be upset at, violet. i think gloria summed it up pretty well.
why does anyone write anything? maybe it's just to write because writing's kinda fun. i can't answer for her, though.
i met christina and she's a nice kid. i repeat - she's a nice kid. but hey, there are plenty of nice kids who get made fun of for just being themselves. poking fun at her is a personal attack, and for what?
am i upset? no. but this thread sure leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
- mark dirschel
- www.geocities.com/edible_eye
there you go. that's my website. open it up and have at it. |
Perry Comer
Unity Member
Post Number:
1274
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 08:42 pm: | |
I wasn't poking fun, just commenting on the fact that from her live journal posting (which reads like a message board) that PA does not accept everything that is sent to them. The postings on the live journal are examples of things she has turned down.
http://www.pacwriter.netfirms.com/ |
Sheila Schmidt
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
440
Registered: 05-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 10:30 pm: | |
I think it's pathetic. There is nothing professional about an employee making fun of potential clients on such an open forum. Of course, what am I thinking??
Sheila |
mark dirschel
Hunger Member
Post Number:
94
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 11:35 pm: | |
no names were posted in the journal.
in my opinion, it's the same as an e-mail received of darwin award winners, kids in school who gives answers to questions posed, and the like. or, it's like going home after a hard day at work and saying - i had this patient today who...
laughing at one and not at the other would depend on one's sense of humor. pathetic, though? i don't agree.
here, she was singled out and chastised for one reason only - association with a company. that's pathetic in my eyes.
- mark |
Todd Hunter
Unity Member
Post Number:
1341
Registered: 02-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 05:00 am: | |
We all like to vent, about the things we go through in life, about our work...even people who work for PA...
I do have to wonder if that's the same Christina I've received e-mails from in the past, though...
oh well... |
Sheryl Nantus
Awareness Member
Post Number:
28
Registered: 02-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 05:34 am: | |
the fact is that she's reprinting private information about her "clients" on a publically accessible forum and mocking them for everyone to see...
if that were YOUR book,Mark - I somehow doubt you'd be so "understanding" and mellow about having your creative submmission mocked in a public forum and reprinted for all to laugh at... it may only be her journal, but it's also showing her maturity and her attitude when dealing with new submissions - and do you want her commenting on YOUR next book in a public area? They may be bad writers, but they deserve as much respect and courtesy as the rest of us and not to be mocked by someone.
it's immature, irresponsible and darned well juvenile - if I had dared to do such a thing when I worked at Penguin Books I would have been out on the street in minutes - nevermind be terrified about lawsuits flying my way from the rejected authors who might, MIGHT be a bit perturbed about their work being mocked and possibly affecting their future sales. Heck, any employer would be freaking, I figure... if only because of the legality involved and the lack of a professional attitude. Imagine if she worked for Martha Stewart or Pepsi or any other major company and posted such information!
and, for the record, I didn't find it - it came from a thread over at writers.net where someone else tripped over it on an info search...
(Message edited by stgeorge on April 01, 2004) |
Laurel Johnson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2800
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 05:56 am: | |
I was too dumb to figure out who it was, but must admit I did not read every word. Maybe I'm too serious, but have to side with Sheryl on her last comment.
Every business in America has a "privacy act policy" now.
When I was a Registered Nurse, I would not have dreamed of putting my musings in writing for all the world to see on the internet. And as a book reviewer, I would never post in public places saying certain books or authors sucked.
A person's private thoughts are not private - and not meant to be - if they are posted publicly for access. Whoever keeps that journal online is asking for trouble and will no doubt get trouble.
Do I sympathize with the person?? Yes. But I sympathize even more with the hopeful authors whose work was ridiculed in public. |
Violet Towe
Hsympothai Member
Post Number:
334
Registered: 03-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 06:24 am: | |
Laurel, I did read all she had posted on her 'journal' (and I use the word loosely), from typing word for word some of the queries she got, right on to her boyfriend getting drunk, going 60 70 mph in a 20 mph zone, hitting the tree and walking home in the cold. If he called the police out, it did not read that way. I suppose since he was drunk, he would have most likely went to jail and had a steep fine placed against him. Makes me wonder how the insurance company will feel abou that. But, that is none of my business.
What struck me was how easy she made fun of writers who did not make the grade. I will have to admit they sounded pretty bad (that is if what she wrote was the exact words from the author, and not dressed up to make for a good, or bad, read from visitors to her 'journal') but then again, no need to laugh and make fun of them the way she did.
I have no idea who her 'boss' is but since Christine called this person a 'she' I would assume it is a woman, even helped her to write a reply to one of the people who sent in a query, then laughed about it.
I think its wrong what she is doing. With this getting around more and more people will read her site, one of them will surely be one of those people who submitted to PA, they will recognize their writing. When this happens, believe me, there WILL be a lawsuit. Won't it be ironic that it may just be one of PA's own who will bring them to their knees.
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LaurieAnne
Unity Member
Post Number:
1303
Registered: 12-2001
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 07:34 am: | |
Fine. She's not being professional by posting her journal entries on a website. Great. We're glad you all can recognize the ethical problem. Of course, as Mark stated, I am just as guilty of going home and talking with my husband about the meeting I had with my boss, about a customer I dealt with, or about a story that has not yet been published in the paper. Granted, I don't post that kind of thing up on any kind of public location until the time comes that it becomes public knowledge. However, that makes me no different.
Matter of fact, how many of you don't take your experiences and turn them into some sort of writing? Fiction, non-fiction...does it matter? How many of you have that "life story" sitting on the back burner, with intimate details concerning other people? How many of you have purchased a book simply to read all the dirt about someone else, whether it was authorized to be written or not.
But it is even worse to simply attack someone for doing the same things that every one of you have done at some time. ANYONE can sit and go through the archives on this board and find postings by regulars of a similar nature. How can you sit and criticize her for bad grammar if you cannot string together a proper sentence without the assitance of an editor? How can you chastise her for posting publicly her dealings when you not only post publicly the emails you receive, but you post names?
Why don't we back up to within just this week? How many messages were posted containing recently received emails, word for word, and made fun of in a vicious manner?
Fine. I'm a little defensive. Call me the geek with a sword to protect the underdogs around here. But call me fair.
I'm woth Gloria. Get a freaking hobby and get over your PA experience.
There have been claims posted that PA "stalks" message boards, watching for messages to pop up that would constitute libel/slander (IF FALSE--I will NOT get into that discussion). Well, don't almost all of you do the same thing? You all watch the PA board for cracks and stupidity (based upon your opinions). There are comments daily about what is being posted on that board.
By that definition, WHO is stalking WHOM?
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And this is why I don't usually even lurk in this area.
Pardon me for going off. I'm sure I stepped on toes with my personal opinions. But at this point, I don't care whose toes they are.
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Mark,
I love the first page of your site already: Pay attention. All choices have consequences.
I think that says it all.
LA
www.authorsinkbooks.com
LaurieAnne
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Sheryl Nantus
Awareness Member
Post Number:
29
Registered: 02-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 07:45 am: | |
wow... someone got a bee in their bonnet today...
actually, I rarely post here or any other place about my PA experience, so claims that I'm obsessed with them isn't true - there may be others who dwell on it, but if you look over my history here and on other sites I have pretty well "moved on"; as you encourage.
I'm glad you're standing up for the underdogs - but I think in this case you're standing up for the WRONG ONES... the underdogs here are the writers who submitted stories with the expectation that they wouldn't become public gossip on a journal site. The underdogs here are the writers who are being lambasted in public by someone they sent their work to with the assumption that it would be kept private.
if this were an editor at Random House or at Scholastic or at Penguin Books, would you be still yelping about how we shouldn't comment on it? Or would you be wagging your finger and muttering about how unprofessional it is for an editor to post commentaries and QUOTES from her rejections for all to see?
it's very nice to claim that it's all about PA and that every criticism is somehow part of a witch hunt by people with too much time on their hands, but sometimes there's actually truth behind it. This is NOT the same as gossiping to your co-worker or posting emails that have come into your mailbox; this is a person in a position of authority misusing that authority to demean, insult and degrade a writer who may just not be at YOUR level of writing.
I don't give a rat's tuckus about the woman or PA - I care about those anonymous authors who are now being mocked and defamed in public. Because that could be you or me with our next offering being slapped up there for all to see with accompanying commentary and insults.
THOSE are the underdogs... not PA nor this woman. Get your priorities straight.
'nuff said.
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Gloria Marlow
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
800
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 07:50 am: | |
Really, there is only one or two references to PA and they are quite a ways from the latest journal entry. Usually she just said "my job". Maybe because I have been exposed a lot lately to people around her age, I realize that she seems like any other early 20-something single person. This is what they talk about and how they live. It isn't up to me to approve her lifestyle or why she posts it on the internet.
If y'all had said to begin with "she shouldn't make fun of people like that" or something similar, I might have agreed. But I got the opinion you were making fun of her and laughing at her website.
She doesn't give anyone's name, does she? I agree with Mark that it's very similar to us here on this site swapping stories about our line of work. If she worked for Martha Stewart and she posted on her journal that someone had come in and tried to sell Martha the secret recipe for KFC, that wouldn't be making fun of the person, that would be saying they recognized plagiarism and/or "rip-offs" as she called them. As far as some of the other stuff she said, about submissions, questions, etc., she was doing, as Mark said, what is done when we read and laugh at the things people say in certain situations. For instance, someone had posted here once a list of stupid questions that Customer Service Reps for computer companies had been asked. I was e-mailed a list of crazy things court reporters had heard people say/ask in the course of their work. They were hilarious. Why is this different?
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Sheryl Nantus
Awareness Member
Post Number:
30
Registered: 02-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 07:51 am: | |
I give up.
please delete this thread.
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Monique Kenray
Awareness Member
Post Number:
10
Registered: 02-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 08:34 am: | |
I wish I could see what everyone is talking about. I went to the link and... nothing showed up. I even tried 4 different browsers.
Monique |
Jennifer Lynn
Unity Member
Post Number:
1169
Registered: 03-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 08:42 am: | |
Sheryl,
We tend not to delete threads here. We do agree to disagree when things come up that can't be resolved, because we are all adults and we can do that. I believe there are valid points to both sides of the coin.
Don't worry about it, and don't take offense. It's just a writing community discussing an issue and we all know how opinionated writers can be!
Monique, she might have removed her journal.. dunno.. it's not there for me anymore either, just a horrific blank white page. (Did I mention I hate blank white pages that scream out to me to work harder?)
Jenn
Jennifer Lynn
www.jenniferlynn.ca |
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