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Laurel Johnson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2708
Registered: 01-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 11:38 am: |   |
Yes Dennis. Whenever possible, take a page from my book and stick with the lowest possible standard. That way I can laugh along with those who ridicule and use me as a less than shining example.  |
Gloria Marlow
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
675
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 11:40 am: | |
I was playing, Publius. I apologize if it offended you.
What does "the low standard is 25 cents a word" mean, anyway? People pay 25 cents a word for e-books? A short story or novella with 20,000 words would then pay the author $5,000.00 everytime someone downloaded it. A 2,000 word essay would pay $500.00.
I don't think that would work out. |
Laurel Johnson
Unity Member
Post Number:
2709
Registered: 01-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 11:40 am: | |
Sorry to steal your thread for my silliness, Steven. } |
Dennis Collins
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
665
Registered: 06-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 11:56 am: | |
Edgar Allen Poe award winning author Doug Allyn, the most published short story writer with industry standard Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines gets $2500 for his short stories. They're usually a little over 10,000 words. He is their absolute top man. |
Steven Shrewsbury
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
586
Registered: 04-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 12:17 pm: | |
Oh, I never mind....after such a weird weekend, some levity is in order.
Dennis, I think Jennifer summed up the info well. Thanks for posting the info and the email.
I have so many things going on it gets confusing so I can always use one mroe outlet ;)
I was briefly involved in a dollar download thingy at BIZARRE eBooks a year or so back, but when the war started, things seemed to get blurry there...
I was just working on a tale this mornign for an antho when Jennifer wrote to me.
Any port in a storm is good and THANKS for the words of encouragement.
That reminds me, I need to sub some more stuff...
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D.R. Bennett
Awareness Member
Post Number:
35
Registered: 05-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 12:25 pm: | |
What?
Did I see the name "Morrison"?
Talk to me guys....what's up?
- Donny -
http://www.drbennett.2ya.com |
Steven Shrewsbury
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
587
Registered: 04-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 12:33 pm: | |
Um, the tale I wrote about New Orleans and the son of Jim Morrison is in the archives of NEVERARY at the url
http://www.neverary.com/N3/N3Lizard.htm
"Prince of Lizards though I be"
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Publius2 (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 65.54.98.18
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 12:38 pm: | |
25 cents a word for a magazine article to a real magazine. e-books are worthless. As are e-zines that pay next to nothing and take exclusive rights forever. Facts will be posted all over the web so real information is available to all as opposed to minsinformation and worse, disinformation. |
Gloria Marlow
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
678
Registered: 04-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 12:45 pm: | |
That's what I thought...two different animals are being discussed.
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Jennifer Lynn
Unity Member
Post Number:
1093
Registered: 03-2002
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 12:52 pm: | |
E-books are worthless? Hmmm... try telling that to some of my author friends who are pulling in five grand a month...
However, since this is obviously not your area of expertise, I'm not going to debate you over it. You have your facts, I have mine.
Yes Gloria, two very different animals.
Jennifer Lynn
www.jenniferlynn.ca |
Dennis Collins
Mindsight Moderator
Post Number:
668
Registered: 06-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 01:02 pm: | |
Seemed to me that the Ellery Queen Mystery Magazine might qualify as being real since it outsells anything else in it's category. |
Publius2 (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 65.54.98.18
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 01:44 pm: | |
5 grand a month? Those are facts that any professional would question anywhere in the writing world. |
Steven Shrewsbury
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
588
Registered: 04-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 02:59 pm: | |
(trying to recall last ezine that got rights to my story forever)
Nope, can't recall a one.
Mr. York, um, Publius, I enjoy healthy debate. Freedom of speech is great.
Please, direct me to where I can read or buy some of your works. I am always pleased to support the art of writing. However, the practice of bitching and moaning for no good reason, I got no use for. I am sure you agree.
The eZine world is there to get one's name around. There is no harm in it. Folks recall you or may buy a book because they remember you. It isn't like it is all POST EVERYTHING. The cream rises to the top.
I have made quite a few friends and contacts via this method. It was just as cool to see my work there as in print at FIGHTING CHANCE, MYSTERY BUFF, HAUNTS, HEART ATTACK, CYBER PSYCHOS, DEATHREALM, BIZAAR BAZAAR, ELDRITCH TALES, TALES-MEN, dang, I forget 'em all. One should never be happy with just Net pubs (or PODs) and always strive for greater things.
Some can keep at it and keep working, getting ones name out there etc. Others have one book in them. Sorry to hear it, but I encourage folks to try again.
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Publius2 (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 65.54.98.102
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 05:47 pm: | |
Mr. Shewsbury,
As we speak I'm on my fourth book, a nonfiction novel and The third is on the editing tarmack at a traditional publisher that is small, targeted and has it's own physical store in addition to the chains, after a year of solid submitting to the biggest names you've ever heard of in the business, so if you think I'm just some bitching whiner then you are mistaken.
The two POD books are available at the BN site and a free chapter is available to read there. My name will bring up scads of my work but the venues you cite wouldn't be recognized by the traditional publishing world in magazines or books. I suggest you take gander at the list I posted on the convention thread and report back to me how many of those real publishers you've submitted to.
I've knocked off plenty of them myself. I'm a little tied up right now with academic work so that's what I've saddled with at the moment. I'm chasing a backup career in print journalism. I hope that qualifies as busy. Look at the list. Consider it an assignment. You're a hard worker, put it in the right place and maybe it will happen for real. |
Todd Hunter
Unity Member
Post Number:
1236
Registered: 02-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 06:22 pm: | |
Hell, I thought that was an original idea I had the other day...
and come to hear now, someone's already doing it...$1 downloads of short stories...
Such is life...
(I also came up with the idea of modifiable RC racers, shortly before Radio Shack announced they had them...my lot in life, apparently)
I imagine as many short stories as Steven cranks out, he could make a good amount of money through the $1 download programs...
Figure you write 5 stories a month, at $.50 each download, that's 2,000 downloads to make $5K...
If you are especially productive in a given month, and write 10, that's only 1,000...
A decent writer with a medium following (what is considered a basement following in the "traditional publishing" sense? What is the normal print run from a "traditional publisher", or how much is a new author supposed to be able to sell?) could then, very easily make $5K a month...and considering, the reader is only required to fork over $1 for the story, versus $15-$30 for a full book, I could see where it would be a rather profitable venture... |
Steven Shrewsbury
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
590
Registered: 04-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 06:25 pm: | |
AHH! I remember you now! Mark York is Marky guy on the boards. How silly of me to not have spotted this until now. I have not the time to check all of these boards, nor the words to devote to filling up the boards to keep track of that. I spend spare time writing. What a concept.
Xlibris and America House pubbed your works on conservation and Alaska. Cool. There is no shame in this. I will take you at your word on the journalism thing.
I applaud that you submit to big pub houses. God bless you dearly.
BTW, alot of folks SUBMIT to them, yet are not accepted. I wish you only the best of luck in your writing endeavors.
You seem to think I have never submitted to major houses and am not in the process of consideration for novels to them right now. I wonder why you would assume such a thing?
I think TOR, BAEN, DAW and ORION PUBLISHING UK qualify, aye?
If you have heard of them, so have many others. I think they are pretty good pubs.
Subbing to bigger houses takes time, 9-12 months sometimes.
Once you hear something, let us all know. I certainly will tell everyone when I hear something about my books in consideration. Todd and Laurel know of the projects I have going out there unrelated to the POD or small publishing field. I never brag or announce various things until it is concrete. Saying I subbed to TOR is as impressive as saying I shook hands with Jerry Ford in 1976. It doesn't make me his buddy. Castles in the clouds are just that until they have foundations.
Just because I have been pubbed around in various forms doesn't give me the right to tell anyone how to do anything, nor does it qualify me to act superior or judgmental. So I don't.
Thank you for observing that I am a hard worker. It will happen for me. I have every confidence that it will.
You are a persistant poster on these boards.
If you focused your mind on writing books and articles as much as on these boards, there would be nothing stopping you, Mark.
Aggression is a great thing. I know. Channel it in a way that leaves you with something to show for it.
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Steven Shrewsbury
Wisdom Member
Post Number:
591
Registered: 04-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 06:27 pm: | |
Damn, Todd, great idea...
Thanks Jennifer for the tip. I always got my shingle out for one more spot. |
weary (Unregistered Guest)
Work-in-progress guest
Posted From: 24.51.255.252
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 06:29 pm: | |
Thank you Steven. You speak for so may of us silent lurkers.
Amen |
D.R. Bennett
Awareness Member
Post Number:
37
Registered: 05-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 07:31 pm: | |
Only One Animal.....US WRITERS.
Feel free to call me any hour of the transcendent universe. (Brian and Steven truely welcome)
Donny ....(1) 480-474-8211.
In fact, or fiction....anyone is welcome. Come inside....
drbennett.2ya.com
http://www.drbennett.2ya.com |
D.R. Bennett
Awareness Member
Post Number:
38
Registered: 05-2003
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2004 - 07:37 pm: | |
Since Steven seems to be the genius of this cannibal culture, and I believe he actually sees things as they truely are.....call me....godamnit....call me.....(1) 480-474-8211...I am always available at my office.....
Do dogs eat dogs? YES....I've seen it happen. I am a cat who pisses on the side of logic.
http://www.angelfire.com/goth/donray/trustworthy.html
http://www.drbennett.2ya.com |
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